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Solution to Kenya’s Poverty and Landlessness. Annual Land Value Tax.
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#1 Posted : Sunday, April 15, 2012 2:30:46 PM
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Solution to Kenya’s Poverty and Landlessness. Annual Land Value Tax.

In 2010, Kenyans voted in favor of a new constitution that clearly states as below:

61. (1) All land in Kenya belongs to the people of Kenya collectively as a nation, as communities and as individuals.

Therefore, the benefits derived from land must be shared by the people of Kenya .

As we all know, factors of production are Land, Capital and Labour.

The current Tax system taxes capital and labour in terms of VAT and Income tax.

Land.

Land as a component devoid of the actual building is God-given. It cannot be manufactured or increased. It’s a constant. All that man can do is to increase its value by adding capital and labour.

By the Government taxing Capital and Labour, this increases the cost of production hence negative impact on the economy. The VAT on goods and services only serve to increase the cost of acquiring the particular goods or services by the Mwananchi/Citizen.

Unfair Tax system...read more

http://www.a4architect.c...-annual-land-value-tax/

http://a4architect.wordp...s-annual-land-value-tax/
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#2 Posted : Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:00:09 PM
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What's this Buffet Rule that I'm hearing of in US?
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#3 Posted : Sunday, April 15, 2012 7:23:57 PM
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@jerry..watch the video below for details.

Welsh parliament debating LVT recently

http://www.youtube.com/w...6OvE&feature=related
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#4 Posted : Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:46:03 PM
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@a4architect,

Have you by any chance read any of the articles a certain Mwarang'ethe has been posting on Kumekucha?

If not, have a look, especially at this one and this one.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:09:50 PM
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@a4architect, arent land rates tax on land?
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#6 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 7:23:08 AM
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Ash Ock wrote:
@a4architect,

Have you by any chance read any of the articles a certain Mwarang'ethe has been posting on Kumekucha?

If not, have a look, especially at this one and this one.


@Ash Ock thanks for the link. I have read it. Mwarangethe is a very brilliant philosopher-the kind that Kenya needs to nurture/utilise.

He has explained the Land Value tax with a philosophical flavour.

I have explained the same thing with an architectural/real estate flavour.

Looks like the CoE eventually listed to him but were not bold enough to add the finer details. They left this task to the Land Commission.

The constitution says;
Quote:
61. (1) All land in Kenya belongs to the people of Kenya
collectively as a nation, as communities and as individuals.


This is the core of the Land Value tax system.
It also says as regards to the Land Commission's role:
Quote:
(g) to assess tax on land and premiums on immovable property
in any area designated by law; and


He explained Zimbabwe method of redistribution. I tend to agree with him that redistribution does not help the economy as much as the Land Value tax system coz the redistributed land can still be held vacant by the owners.

@Laughing out loudly
Land rates are tax on land. The difference is that Land Value tax is based on the maximum value that the land can attract hence higher than land rates. Land Value tax also varies depending on the zone.

This value is high and in essence, all other taxes such as VAT and Income tax should be abolished and only this method used to collect tax.
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#7 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 8:17:38 AM
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.. and in essence, all other taxes such as VAT and Income tax should be abolished and only this method used to collect tax.[/quote]
What of corporation tax, import/excise duty? Substantiation needed.
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#8 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 8:27:10 AM
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@jerry..import duty is debatable.

It can be seen as causing an increase in cost of goods hence lower productivity unless if the imported goods are not directly competing with Kenyan produced ones.
I quick rough calculation on the amount of tax from Nairobi City alone comes to kes 600B. See here

http://www.a4architect.c...-annual-land-value-tax/

This amount is alot so Govt doesn't need to look for money elsewhere unless when very necessary e.g as a barrier to competition or to prevent capital flight in the case of international corporate taxes.
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#9 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 8:46:31 AM
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@a4architect, Thanks. Zero Tax evasion and more responsible citizens a likely manifestation if system adopted.
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#10 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 8:51:05 AM
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@jerry..welcome

most importantly a nation that sustains itself in food and money for infrastructure.

All the idle farm lands will be worked to produce food and employment and all the idle town lands would be constructed on to create employment and fund the treasury.

From this calculation here

http://www.a4architect.c...-annual-land-value-tax/

Nairobi can be self-sustaining in funding.
There will be no need for the Worldbank/IMF dependency.
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#11 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 8:57:46 AM
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@a4architect will everyone who has a piece of land be paying tax on it?
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#12 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 9:02:51 AM
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jamplu wrote:
@a4architect will everyone who has a piece of land be paying tax on it?

@jamplu..this is just my proposal to Kenyans in the hope that Govt can adopt it.

In my proposal, the elderly,sick and other marginalized groups can be exempted from tax on their residential house lands.

All others should pay the land value tax.
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#13 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 10:15:46 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
jamplu wrote:
@a4architect will everyone who has a piece of land be paying tax on it?

@jamplu..this is just my proposal to Kenyans in the hope that Govt can adopt it.

In my proposal, the elderly,sick and other marginalized groups can be exempted from tax on their residential house lands.

All others should pay the land value tax.


If it will deter speculation then it should be in place. Speculation has resulted to unrealistic land prices in urban centers. I don't understand why someone should pay 2M for an 1/8th in a place where there are no basic services like paved roads and water just because speculators are taking advantage.
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#14 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 10:47:23 AM
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@jamplu.. true
speculation results to price of land increase. This increase in turn leads to more speculation. In a situation like in the US, banks exaggerated the situation by availing unsecured mortgages which in turn led to higher land prices until the burble burst.
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a4architect.com wrote:

By the Government taxing Capital and Labour, this increases the cost of production hence negative impact on the economy. The VAT on goods and services only serve to increase the cost of acquiring the particular goods or services by the Mwananchi/Citizen.

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Isn't the same effect expected if we tax land? The landlords will simply pass the cost as increased rent!
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:30:07 PM
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@ lol est ..just read it..not very convincing/detailed.

The Hongkong/Taiwan method can work best for Kenya where other taxes e.g VAT continue while LVT is done at 0.2% for owner-occupied residentials all the way to 5.5% for commercial ventures.

Henry George must have been very brave to write such a letter to the Pope about LVT in the 19th century...such defiant behavior against the Catholic church could earn one very severe punishment..

http://a4architect.wordp...y-george-september-1891/
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:32:30 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:

By the Government taxing Capital and Labour, this increases the cost of production hence negative impact on the economy. The VAT on goods and services only serve to increase the cost of acquiring the particular goods or services by the Mwananchi/Citizen.

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Isn't the same effect expected if we tax land? The landlords will simply pass the cost as increased rent!


@l olest

The net result is over supply of housing hence rent reduction. The rent will initially be increased but in the overall long run, reduced due to over supply of houses.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:26:06 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
jamplu wrote:
@a4architect will everyone who has a piece of land be paying tax on it?

@jamplu..this is just my proposal to Kenyans in the hope that Govt can adopt it.

In my proposal, the elderly,sick and other marginalized groups can be exempted from tax on their residential house lands.

All others should pay the land value tax.


The begining of our poverty came with taxation; now we want to add another tax to cancel out all these taxes?

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tycho wrote:

The begining of our poverty came with taxation; now we want to add another tax to cancel out all these taxes?


Land taxation is already being levied on land owners in the form of land rates.

However, the land rates system currently being used in Kenya differs from the Land Value Tax because our rating system is based on the unimproved value of the land i.e the value of bare land while in Land Value Tax it is based on an expected income valuation of the land.

Now this is a great idea but it has its demerits. For instance, if fully implemented, it could lead to massive landlessness on the part of the poor if they cannot raise the taxes required on their land.

Secondly, it will contribute massively to inflation. Landlords will seek to pass the costs down to their tenants who will then adjust the prices of their products. In the case of agricultural lands, farmers who are hard pressed to raise taxes will raise the prices of farm produce.

This will easily be a method of wealth re-distribution. Not in the populist way in which we know it(rich to the poor) but from the poor to the rich.

The political will needed for such a move would be great. It would face opposition from the civil society and the other noisemakers who would seek to lecture Kenyans on how Kenyans are over taxed.

The comparison of land tax and income tax is wrong. Income taxes such as PAYE and corporate tax are taxes on the rewards of factors of production(wages and profit) while land tax is a tax on the factor of production, not on its reward(rent). I can only compare LVT with poll tax!

But is it all evil? Such a system I believe may lead to increased agricultural production as landowners with inability to produce maximum benefit from the land will be edged out and that land will be taken by farmers who are able to produce with maximum efficiency. This could also assist stem the current land fragmentation problem in agricultural areas.

@a4architect has mentioned the effect on land in urban areas. More buildings and better land utilisation would be expected.

Let's not forget the issue of new county governments. They will need funding, and this is one good avenue for them. The new constitution allows them to raise revenues this way.

Let the debate continue...



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