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murchr
#191 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:35:09 AM
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I feel you but i still think this should be known. Seek legal advice even if they cannot be sued.

Our Gov is so poor at implementing even the least and esp the ministry of lands, hopefully things will change for the better raise this issue at KICTANET and maybe someone will have a solution. I don't want to believe that its the end of it
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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a4architect.com
#192 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:39:52 AM
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@alma..true

ICT Intellectual property law in Kenya needs to be improved. What these large corporate Giants have is the money. If they can get a country's ideas for free, then they will do it.

A monolith like worldbank will the world's money still wants more,and if they get someone in Kenya who is not protected by law, they will take over the ideas without any regard as in my situation.

They dont know how 'kurudisha mkono'.

Its so unfortunate that most third world leadership will side with the large corporates instead of their small startups.

All science, logic and philosophy since time immemorial shows that a country only develops once it improves on its factors of production.

A country HAS to produce to grow. We cant give a conducive environment to Nokia then expect to grow-only Finland will benefit more.

Look at China, for every Western product, there is a Chinese alternative.

Thats how they grow-not by providing conducive environment to the big corporates.

In Kenya, Ministry of Info leadership would rather these large corporates instead of developing local talent.
Granted,local talent could be abit wanting but in time and with good mentorship, they can play in the league of the big boys.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
murchr
#193 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:40:58 AM
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alma wrote:
@A4 when I tell guys that we have it all wrong, they tell me Google this Nokia that. What these guys don't tell you is that the biggest part of the value of these ICT companies is not the buildings they process or the number of Apple Ipods they sell, it is intellectual property they seek to control.

These companies fight for every small idea, steal patents and steal more ideas. When they come here and give free nokias to developers here in a competition, they take that idea and create patents from them in another country.

In other words, they want your mind.

Not your houses.

There is no lawyer in this country who can meander this. Especially since there are no laws in this country that tackle these issues.

It is exactly the same case with all those freelancers that are working online. Ask them how they bring their money back home. They are already creating their own little Konzas but they have no system to bring the money back home. Having to depend on brokers who take 25% of their earnings.

Lets talk ICT for a moment here.

These are the issues affecting the Kenyan businessman in the ICT industry now. Not buildings.

Can anyone who seems to be in the know explain to us how ecommerce is supposed to work in Kenya when even operating Paypal (the largest ecommerce tool) is impossible?

If Gov't's work is not to build houses, but to facilitate, who have they facilitated? What are they doing to facilitate? Are there laws that make it easy for an entreprenuer to start an ICT company? Are there tax breaks?

If you really must know, it takes all of 10 minutes to start a company in Silicon Valley, how long does it take in Kenya?

These are the issues in the purvey of the ICT board, not buildings. And Alai was 100% right with that given the response he got from his post.


What u take IT to be is completely diff with what i do. Even in the noble profession of journalism there are freelancers but that has not stopped the likes of Nation and Standard from setting up.

The issue of starting up an IT company, its not different, all businesses in Kenya suffer the same predicament and go through the same
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a4architect.com
#194 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:47:34 AM
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murchr wrote:
I feel you but i still think this should be known. Seek legal advice even if they cannot be sued.

Our Gov is so poor at implementing even the least and esp the ministry of lands, hopefully things will change for the better raise this issue at KICTANET and maybe someone will have a solution. I don't want to believe that its the end of it

@murchr..
will do that. I have talked to a lawyer-Kenyan copyright law on ICT is still in its infancy especially when there was no confidentiality agreement.In US law, the confidentiality agreement part can be circumvented by proving that Worldbank was a person i regarded as of 'high status' hence no need of agreement.
I have even talked to Kenyans who work at Worldbank HQ ,Newyork and Kenya office for 'diplomacy' but no response.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
alma
#195 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:59:44 AM
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My fear is very simple. The information age is the only time when man can be equalized. Apple beat IBM, Amazon beat Borders, Netflix beat blockbuster etc.

It is the story of the small guy beating the big guy.

That story can be replicated here in Kenya. Where the small KU graduate can create a monolith big enough to beat Kenyan corporates in his bedroom.

That is the beauty of the internet.

Now what we have here is a case where the ICT board seems to wish to have the corporate still rule the world. They even boast about it when they name drop names such as Nokia, Google, Mpesa etc every time they talk.

I want them to name drop Oduori Achola who created something in his bedroom in Kayole.

That can be achieved if they did what those in Silicon Valley do. Support the small start up with the stupid idea.

If they continue in this path of only dealing with corporates, then they are simply recolonizing Africa again. This time our minds.

If you really want to think BIG think this way. Where any Kenyan can boast of having had a hand in creating something that changed the world.

As we stand, the ICT board is only interested in corporate events, corporate trips abroad and corporate cities.

Nothing to do with the mama mboga ict guy who's paying them their salaries through taxes.

It is the wrong way to go and we shall suffer for it in the future.

The only reason why someone could start a business in a garage and name it microsoft was not because the garage was 10 stories, had fire hydrants and had a manicured lawn.

It was because when they needed to grow the idea, they found that the Gov't had in place all the facilities they needed to do so.

My view is that the ICT board has nothing to show for their term other than Kenyanbuzz.com (not kenyan) and conferences in Italy and trips to Stanford.

So they have seen that they need to create this monolith called Konza to show they were "thinking Big".

Yet when you ask a simple question, "what has the ict board done for me lately?" no one has an answer.
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murchr
#196 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:04:26 AM
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alma wrote:
My fear is very simple. The information age is the only time when man can be equalized. Apple beat IBM, Amazon beat Borders, Netflix beat blockbuster etc.

It is the story of the small guy beating the big guy.

That story can be replicated here in Kenya. Where the small KU graduate can create a monolith big enough to beat Kenyan corporates in his bedroom.

That is the beauty of the internet.

Now what we have here is a case where the ICT board seems to wish to have the corporate still rule the world. They even boast about it when they name drop names such as Nokia, Google, Mpesa etc every time they talk.

I want them to name drop Oduori Achola who created something in his bedroom in Kayole.

That can be achieved if they did what those in Silicon Valley do. Support the small start up with the stupid idea.

If they continue in this path of only dealing with corporates, then they are simply recolonizing Africa again. This time our minds.

If you really want to think BIG think this way. Where any Kenyan can boast of having had a hand in creating something that changed the world.

As we stand, the ICT board is only interested in corporate events, corporate trips abroad and corporate cities.

Nothing to do with the mama mboga ict guy who's paying them their salaries through taxes.

It is the wrong way to go and we shall suffer for it in the future.

The only reason why someone could start a business in a garage and name it microsoft was not because the garage was 10 stories, had fire hydrants and had a manicured lawn.

It was because when they needed to grow the idea, they found that the Gov't had in place all the facilities they needed to do so.

My view is that the ICT board has nothing to show for their term other than Kenyanbuzz.com (not kenyan) and conferences in Italy and trips to Stanford.

So they have seen that they need to create this monolith called Konza to show they were "thinking Big".

Yet when you ask a simple question, "what has the ict board done for me lately?" no one has an answer.



After this student has hit it big, is he supposed to continue working from his bedroom?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alma
#197 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:06:27 AM
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murchr wrote:



After this student has hit it big, is he supposed to continue working from his bedroom?


Think Big Man!

He can buy Paris!
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
a4architect.com
#198 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:11:31 AM
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@alma..me thinks its a case of mental slavery/hypnotizing of some sort.

Most of these guys in Govt ICT have PhDs so its not the lack of cognitive ability.

Our heroes should be the Oduoris in the 10x10s in Kayole who come up with marvelous ICT products, not the Microsofts.

I do not blame the ICT Board for the Konza project. Ndemo and Kukubo look like people with genuine good intentions based on their speeches in the media.

They sought the services of Worldbank to offer them advise on Konza and its impact to the Kenyan economy.

They are merely following this advisory to the letter.

They should let Worldbank answer critic's questions regarding Konza's impact on the economy instead of taking the flak on their behalf.
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jamplu
#199 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:15:26 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@MURCHR..

I had not signed 'confidentiality agreements' with Worldbank.
I could not imagine that Worldbank can engage in business or even comprehend code e.t.c. They looked like angels to me then with their 'help the poor' attitude.
I even volunteered for free to help them with ideas on how to modernize Nairobi City council-this is where i gave out the ICT idea.

I went to Kenya copyright board -they can only patent code, not general software idea.

What i saw that could assist was a case law in the US that says if someone gives an idea to another whom they deem to be of high status e.g a priest,president e.t.c then the person of high status creates business with this idea, then some compensation can be done regardless of whether confidentiality agreement was signed or not.

The solution has the possibility in being replicated in over 180 countries worldwide-of which World bank has offices and a network in.

Already, Rwanda,Zambia, a few cities in Asia and Europe have started to use the idea.


If you have any reference that you were in contact with them and discussed that idea say mails etc. then talk to a lawyer that was a great idea stolen.

I think its similar idea like that you had that will push this country ahead.
Lets stop thinking that we have to start at the level of microsoft, google, apple etc. because we seem obsessed that we can only start at their level these companies took advantage of the problems that existed then and build great companies providing solutions to those problems. We can build similar companies here if we start focusing on providing solutions for our problems a few people have started doing so yet over and over they are being dismissed as just a bunch of 200 -300 sitting somewhere just doing small time apps.

The ICT sector cannot grow without collaboration with people with expertise in different areas like you bwana a4architect.com.


a4architect.com
#200 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:18:49 AM
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alma wrote:
murchr wrote:



After this student has hit it big, is he supposed to continue working from his bedroom?


Think Big Man!

He can buy Paris!


@murchr
regarding availability of office space in an orderly manner, see the effects of Annual Land Value tax here
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=274904#post274904

With this in play, anyone with vacant land around the city will be forced to develop or sell it hence the issue of high rents and lack of space will be reduced.

The economy will be so vibrant due to developments and affordable ofice spaces will be many.

Wikipedia says Kenya is on the way to implementing this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax

Quote:
Other countries

Land value taxation is currently at some stage of being introduced in Kenya,[72][73] Namibia and other countries. China's Real Rights Law contains fundamental provisions founded on a land value taxation analysis.[74]
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