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Inside the Chinese Boom in Corporate Espionage
masukuma
#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:36:20 PM
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in principle, i do not condone theft, but IP theft seems the only way to catchup with those that plundered and stole from the world...
http://www.businessweek....-in-corporate-espionage

Kumbe wind turbines the 'clean' energy solution also keep contact with the mothership so that they can zima it if u fail to pay!

another report on how this is happening!

http://www.fbi.gov/about...on-and-national-security
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Drunkard
#2 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:35:30 PM
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@Masukuma,
There is a big problem is China though, but china have to do all these in order to keep growing, currently china growth is forecast to be 8.5% in 2012, 8% in 2013 and just over 5% by 2020 and if you break down chinease growth you'll see that 5.7% of total 2011 growth came from investment in fixed assets, thats telling because such investments are not sustainable and that explains why China is trying hard to expand to emerging markets, there is a strong need to sustain growth infact by 2016 China could blow up politically because of pressure from growing unemployment, currently at 4% but as growth slow down it can hit 6% and thats political nighmare.

China can push on with unfair trade practises but how far can they go before US and EU can impose some form of levies to their imports, remember chinease economy depend on manufacturing, any levy will hit hard on those sectors and create massive unemployment and therefore polical instability.
masukuma
#3 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:31:09 AM
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you are right, china's economic boom is slowing down however the 8.5%, 8% e.t.c. is a dream to many other countries. the US rarely exceeds 4% and unemployement in the US is at around 8.6%. the problem with the US and the EU is that they are addicted to cheap stuff! their new religion called materialism (i.e. 3 million Ipad 3 sold in 3 days) will keep them facing east. they are killing their own industries. this is where they need to decide to expand their internal capacity yet again before imposing levies else they will end up in another crisis where the need to buy cheap electronics is not satisfied.
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bkismat
#4 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:37:13 AM
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Big question is can China survive without the Mega markets in US and EU? I don't have the figures but I assume that the two are the biggest markets for their exports.
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gathinga
#5 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:55:02 AM
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Drunkard wrote:
@Masukuma,
There is a big problem is China though, but china have to do all these in order to keep growing, currently china growth is forecast to be 8.5% in 2012, 8% in 2013 and just over 5% by 2020 and if you break down chinease growth you'll see that 5.7% of total 2011 growth came from investment in fixed assets, thats telling because such investments are not sustainable and that explains why China is trying hard to expand to emerging markets, there is a strong need to sustain growth infact by 2016 China could blow up politically because of pressure from growing unemployment, currently at 4% but as growth slow down it can hit 6% and thats political nighmare.

China can push on with unfair trade practises but how far can they go before US and EU can impose some form of levies to their imports, remember chinease economy depend on manufacturing, any levy will hit hard on those sectors and create massive unemployment and therefore political instability.


Boss. thats interesting statistics. Isn't investment in FA a very good thing, given its investing in new production capacity, which in turn increases future exports. why do you say its unsustainable?
masukuma
#6 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:03:50 PM
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bkismat wrote:
Big question is can China survive without the Mega markets in US and EU? I don't have the figures but I assume that the two are the biggest markets for their exports.

no, it cannot. however can the US and EU survive without cheap Chinese labour? NO!! its a love hate relationship. UNLESS AFRICA BECOMES THE NEW CHINA.
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masukuma
#7 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:18:03 PM
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check this out
http://www.youtube.com/w...edded&v=5cL60TYY8oQ
IPad is built by people earning $14 a day and after many years...$28 that's starting at 33,600 bob a month and ending at 67,200 bob(assuming you work 30 days a month).
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Robinhood
#8 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:15:29 PM
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masukuma wrote:
bkismat wrote:
Big question is can China survive without the Mega markets in US and EU? I don't have the figures but I assume that the two are the biggest markets for their exports.

no, it cannot. however can the US and EU survive without cheap Chinese labour? NO!! its a love hate relationship. UNLESS AFRICA BECOMES THE NEW CHINA.


Part of these investments are in stuff no one needs. The so called ghost towns and grandiose infrastructure projects. Ona link below. SOme think the chinese economy is a giant ponzi scheme. If growth stalled even kidogo, the place would implode.

China's ghost cities

China's empty city
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Drunkard
#9 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:03:26 PM
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@Masukuma
First US economy is driven mainly by services and consumption so being able to sell 3 million Ipad is a good thing, China Economy on the other hand is driven by manufacturing and sales so Chinease being able to export their manufactured goods is a good thing.
8.5% is great for China economy remember china has a big room to grow, per capital income in US is just over 10 times that of china

On thing that has made US the largest economy it their technology innovation, currently the work that is done by 20 persons in chinease mines is done by 1 person in US mines, thats is the difference of technology know how thats explain the corporate espionage, the chinease goverment have to turn their back on these espionage because they understand that for them to be able to compete with countries like US they need technology and it take years to come up with these things especially when you have the best research institutions in US and a tone of money invested in these colleges for over 150 years.

@Bkismat
China cannot survive without the US or EU markets for a couple of reasons, politically unemployment of over 6% will cause a collaps of chinease ruling government, to get that 6% you just have to cut the toy sells to USA and millions of people will lose their jobs in China.

@ gathinga
Investment in FA is a good thing to some extend but the diminishing marginal benefit and increasing marginal cost make it unsustainble, Atleast 50% of China real growth comes from Investment in real estate and it has been for decades now and thats is a big problem because there is how much an economy can take and it is reaching that point in china, there is alot of skyrises in china now that are unoccupied and out of reach to the common chinese, the government invested in rail road when the world economy started to slow down to stumulate their economy; you're not going to build roads and houses forever, and it is reaching that point in China.

@Masukuma

China cheap labor is also unsustainable, there is a big pressure at the moment to increase wages in china as more and more people is pull out of poverty so paying $10 a day will not be sustainable in will be $20 then $80 as people meet their basic needs and start demanding for wants
masukuma
#10 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 7:56:17 AM
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Drunkard wrote:
@Masukuma
First US economy is driven mainly by services and consumption so being able to sell 3 million Ipad is a good thing, China Economy on the other hand is driven by manufacturing and sales so Chinease being able to export their manufactured goods is a good thing.
8.5% is great for China economy remember china has a big room to grow, per capital income in US is just over 10 times that of china

On thing that has made US the largest economy it their technology innovation, currently the work that is done by 20 persons in chinease mines is done by 1 person in US mines, thats is the difference of technology know how thats explain the corporate espionage, the chinease goverment have to turn their back on these espionage because they understand that for them to be able to compete with countries like US they need technology and it take years to come up with these things especially when you have the best research institutions in US and a tone of money invested in these colleges for over 150 years.

@Bkismat
China cannot survive without the US or EU markets for a couple of reasons, politically unemployment of over 6% will cause a collaps of chinease ruling government, to get that 6% you just have to cut the toy sells to USA and millions of people will lose their jobs in China.

@ gathinga
Investment in FA is a good thing to some extend but the diminishing marginal benefit and increasing marginal cost make it unsustainble, Atleast 50% of China real growth comes from Investment in real estate and it has been for decades now and thats is a big problem because there is how much an economy can take and it is reaching that point in china, there is alot of skyrises in china now that are unoccupied and out of reach to the common chinese, the government invested in rail road when the world economy started to slow down to stumulate their economy; you're not going to build roads and houses forever, and it is reaching that point in China.

@Masukuma

China cheap labor is also unsustainable, there is a big pressure at the moment to increase wages in china as more and more people is pull out of poverty so paying $10 a day will not be sustainable in will be $20 then $80 as people meet their basic needs and start demanding for wants

http://www.ventureoutsou...-compensation-costs-ems
cost chinese labour is light years behind labour costs in Europe and the US and even with regulation. remember, the western labour cost is also growing although pole pole
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Drunkard
#11 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 4:39:14 PM
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@ Masukuma
Labor cost? We all know that labor cost is growing everywhere in the world because it should, the difference between labor cost in US and China is the rate of growth and the rate is not slowing down, while US wages is growning by apprx 2%, China is growing by double digits. A couple of things can will make these componies stay in China, 1) Market 2) No options.
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