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alma
#61 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:12:10 PM
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murchr wrote:
alma wrote:
I think murchr you should read that sentence and understand what it means. By the way, you really should tone down on abusing guys on this forum. It's rather crude.



Who have i abused?


Yourself.

Now have you understood the sentence or you just read the good part?

If the techies that you adore are not convinced, what about a non-techie like me?Liar
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murchr
#62 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:17:50 PM
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Isnt that what Ndemo said in the interview with Jeff.....the govt doesnt want to get into the business model that India followed rather nurture talent....grow and serve Africa...good examples are Seven seas and craft silicon. Craft silicon developed from Ihub to a global firm. Lets think big. We can be unique
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jamplu
#63 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:22:01 PM
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@a4architect.com Is the 14000 acres you are talking about the ones around Athiriver ama ziko wapi because after kyumvi have never heard of EAPC Land.
have you talked to someone in the Land ministry who has info on whether the govt has no plans for that land?

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#64 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:26:28 PM
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@jamplu, the 14000 acres are next to small world opposite daystar.
2 Parcels each of 14,000 acres touching tarmac and extending to the railway near kitengela.
One parcel belongs to EAPCement and is vacant,the other belongs to a mzungu Mr Holcraft.sp.

Both parcels are now technically 'ownerless' since the 99 year lease expired and is awaiting Minster for Lands directive.
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alma
#65 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:27:34 PM
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The more you read, the more educated you become

http://www.itweb.co.za/i...es-to-attract-investors

If this Konza is seen as a real estate project as its currently being marketed, then it will become a white elephant as it will have to compete with Tatu, Turkana, Lamu, Isiolo and who knows how many other projects coming this year.

The ICT part has to be marketed.

Right now the feeling I get is that this project is meant to market Kenya as a cheap place to get cheap labour. Not to market the techies who have a vision to start their own multinationals. If you can't get the Kenyan techies to go to Konza, consider it dead and Konza will happen at iHub and Juja.

Follow the tweets on #ConnectedKE find out exactly how the Kenyan techie is disconnected from this project.
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jamplu
#66 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:35:45 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@jamplu, the 14000 acres are next to small world opposite daystar.
2 Parcels each of 14,000 acres touching tarmac and extending to the railway near kitengela.
One parcel belongs to EAPCement and is vacant,the other belongs to a mzungu Mr Holcraft.sp.

Both parcels are now technically 'ownerless' since the 99 year lease expired and is awaiting Minster for Lands directive.


Ok. probably they have plans for it!!

murchr
#67 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:36:26 PM
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First we radically changed our strategy from focusing on BPO to creating internal efficiencies. In internal efficiencies, we look at radical cost savings and local outsourcing that will create more jobs than any other sector within a very short period. Implementation on this end has started in earnet with the shared services platform at the treasury. Much of Government services especially e-procurement will be on line with more emphasies on the mobile platform.

E-procurement will create many back-end jobs as well as localized call centers. The local or county call centers will help citizens identify service offering between country and National Government. Without such call centers, we shall be confused for the nextfive years before we demand change of constitution. In e-procurement we likely to create a saving of $1 billion every year (we receive about $300 million in aid when we can create such efficiencies).

Hoping the resistance will be less, we need the land Ministry automated. When we reorganized its banking hall and filing, revenue jumped from Ksh. 3 billion to about Ksh. 7 billion estimated to be only 10 – 20% of the potential revenue. The Ministry too will need massive back office operations possibly outsourced.

The there is Judiciary which has fully embraced IT. Here they lose in excess of $1 billion every year to fraud in bonding and fines. A fully automated Judiciary will and properly functioning police will bring in excess of $2 billion to Treasury from all manner of fines. Even if we commited $1 billion to salaries of those in the back office, it will be a life changing venture for thousands of our youth.

Here we have not said jobs in IT services raging from applications to systems intergration.

In the industry take for example agriculture. We shall be able to create greater productivity and cut cost giving rise to more than $5 billion in new revenues. In essence we do not need jobs from out there but once we create enormous capacity in internal efficiencies, BPO, KPO and other ITES will come knocking and by then we shall be exporting expertee to the rest of the continent. Remember from my “candidacy” I said we needed more intra Afroca trade than going out there unprepared. Africa in Business is virgin and we have the obligation to change that.

Ndemo.



Dr Ndemo did clarify that there is room for small business in Konza. There has not been adequate information on how to be part of or invest in Konza. The cost of commercial real estate (rental) as envisioned will be much lower than the average in Nairobi which could be attractive to small enterprises.

Brian Longwe did make a good point on Twitter earlier which he reiterated. If your business needs to be in Nairobi to make money then stay in Nairobi. Konza will only be attractive for those businesses that can leverage the opportunity.

I’m looking forward to a stakeholder forum on Konza (or did one already happen?) where a great deal of the questions on how to invest, what the roadmap is and questions of the project’s transparency could be addressed.

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#68 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:38:01 PM
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@jamplu..you can not have any plans on land which has its 99 year lease expired. Only Minister for Lands can have any plans on such land.
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alma
#69 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:45:56 PM
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@murchr...now that's the kind of engagement we needed from you. Not abuse. With more of that info, we may actually like the project.

Now one of the things that the blogs I've posted have raised issue with is the giving of ict contracts to foreign companies.

Is this true? If true, why?

I'm more concerned with giving my data to Google. What is the gov't doing to ensure that Kenyan gov't content is not left in the hands of foreigners pretending to help us?

Is this the course that Konza is taking? Will the gov't ensure that Kenyans own this project fully or shall we outsource the managers and bosses to India, Google and Nokia?

Have a good night. I'll be watching Kukubu later as this is becoming rather interesting.
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murchr
#70 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:49:41 PM
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alma wrote:
@murchr...now that's the kind of engagement we needed from you. Not abuse. With more of that info, we may actually like the project.

Now one of the things that the blogs I've posted have raised issue with is the giving of ict contracts to foreign companies.

Is this true? If true, why?

I'm more concerned with giving my data to Google. What is the gov't doing to ensure that Kenyan gov't content is not left in the hands of foreigners pretending to help us?

Is this the course that Konza is taking? Will the gov't ensure that Kenyans own this project fully or shall we outsource the managers and bosses to India, Google and Nokia?

Have a good night. I'll be watching Kukubu later as this is becoming rather interesting.



Kenyans raised issues about giving contracts to multinationals and I think Ndemo was to comment on this. We are going to see more local participation in the future Kenyans are now more vocal. Good night.
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#71 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:59:28 PM
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I find it a bit suspect that a project of this magnitude, and a core pillar of vision 2030 does not seem to have input from very important stakeholders, the ministry of land, ministry of planning and ministry of public works.
Only Ndemo is pushing this thing, even his boss Pogisho does not seems to know what going on.

Compare this to the LAPSET project.
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#72 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:05:18 PM
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murchr
#73 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:13:43 PM
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More from Ndemo

A facility like Konza is overdue. So far we have more than 18 Universities both local and International wanting space at the Science Park. The Park is just next to the IT Enabled Services Park. This is the only way you can develop the tripple helix (Universities, Government and Industry) in order to enhance innovation and competitiveness.

When you see Giant organization like Nokia setting up at I-Hub it tells you we are behind in what we have been doing. Indeed our thinking has always been minimalist and always comparing ourselves with Somalia. We must begin to develop the confidence to compete with the best. We have just started and we must continue to encourage this.



Ndemo.
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eboomerang
#74 Posted : Thursday, April 05, 2012 12:42:16 AM
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murchr wrote:
More from Ndemo

A facility like Konza is overdue. So far we have more than 18 Universities both local and International wanting space at the Science Park. The Park is just next to the IT Enabled Services Park. This is the only way you can develop the tripple helix (Universities, Government and Industry) in order to enhance innovation and competitiveness.

When you see Giant organization like Nokia setting up at I-Hub it tells you we are behind in what we have been doing. Indeed our thinking has always been minimalist and always comparing ourselves with Somalia. We must begin to develop the confidence to compete with the best. We have just started and we must continue to encourage this.



Ndemo.

Ok, following the comments on this thread it seems that @murchr you are seeing the vision that Dr Bitange is seeing and the rest of us are being considered to be devil's advocates since we fail to agree with how that vision can be realized.

If you don't mind, could you go to page 2 of this thread and see the issues I raised there and hopefully respond.
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#75 Posted : Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:27:27 AM
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The good thing about such real estate involving projects is that after some time, theory takes a back seat and practicality commences upon ground breaking.

Once the ground is broken, we can then audit the performance based on the number of investors who will start constructing within a year.

Lets hope it will start soon so that we can see the actualization of it as opposed to the theory behind it.
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#76 Posted : Thursday, April 05, 2012 12:00:19 PM
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...Alright with all other factors remaining constant all i hear in relations to Konza is Ndemo, hats off to him, in business resilience am told if you find yourself relying on some-one so heavily then it's time to let that person go..so what IF some-one says Bitange TOSHA or JP,GS,BTMJ wave him a FAT consulting cheque on a global scale then what happens? do we have some-one with equal zeal,knowledge to take over if so yuko wapi?

So those in the know please shed light for those of us who are in the dark on what would happen in-case of such a scenario?

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#77 Posted : Friday, April 06, 2012 9:58:51 PM
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Konza city to me would be a great idea, if it is not a scam for PNU or whichever party is controlling the government, to siphon money from treasury!
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#78 Posted : Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:17:34 AM
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@ drunkard.

The below are the possible situations that Konza city can develop into a scam if not audited:
If these situations below are not audited, then they can open room for scam.

1.Ministry of Info cuts deals with Worldbank/IFC and London architects and engineers to be paid high fees through tax payer money then they remit kickbacks.

Ammount raised in kickbacks this way can only be a few million KES.

2. Ministry of info cuts deals with conveyancing lawyers and brokers to be paid high fees through tax payers money in sale of the 5000 ac land then they remit back the kickbacks.

Ammount raised in kickbacks this way can only be a few million KES of the kes 1b land cost.

3.Ministry of Info disregards AG Muigai advice to allow for competitive bidding and goes ahead to negotiate whom to allocate the land to without creating open public systems to ensure this.

Due to the hype, land price is already 4m per acre in Konza.

Assuming ministry of info uphold the price for konza to kes 200k per acre, this will result in too much demand where buyer A,B,and C compete for the same land at 200k since they cant afford the 4m per acre outside Konza.

The competition will result in corruption whereby buyer A outwits buyer B and C by paying the oficial 200k and a million or two under the table.

This under- the- table ammount will run into billions of KES.

These con artists below have already amassed 260m.
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/hv7sfbz/-/index.html


This is where the AG Githu Muigai comes in to ensure it cant happen.

He issued a legal opinion that Ministry of Info should allow for tender process whereby buyer A,B and C give their offer and the highest bidder takes the land.
This way, there will be no need for the under-the -table dealings since the system will allow for competition.

AG Githu Muigai was a PNU Nominee so i doubt if it can be a PNU plan since he would simply have been told to 'go srow'.
PNU are also not so keen to dealing with Worldbank/IFC and London based engineers and prefer the Chinese.

On the above AG competitive bidding advice issue, Ndemo responded as below,threatening to resign.

http://www.businessdaily.../-/i1lyc5z/-/index.html

Quote:
He said the legal opinion is aimed at preventing legal battles for control of prime lands and is in step with the Public Procurement and Disposal Act (PPDA) 2005, which bars sale to a predetermined person or group.

However, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo said the AG's legal opinion runs parallel to the spirit of the project, arguing that the directive would slow down the ambitious project that is set to cost Sh800 billion.

"This will be a major blow, and I would rather resign than see a project that would open up the employment opportunities locally go into the drain," said Dr Ndemo.


http://www.businessdaily...9546/1302006/-/15f2fe0/-
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alma
#79 Posted : Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:55:54 AM
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I'm always wary of people who say they'd rather resign.

That's why I keep on asking, what is so special about this project that its being thrown down our throats as it is? Iko nini? Is it more important than Lamu? Is it more important than Laptec?

Thanks a4architect, you have laid it all for people to see. They haven't taken your challenge and like mlm'rs they've told guys that they can stay in Nairobi if they don't like Konza.

Confidence guys avoid the queries and instead tell you "you will see".
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#80 Posted : Saturday, April 07, 2012 1:04:11 PM
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@alma..welcome. Konza city falls within my area of expertise-real estate so i can understand it very well hence a need for detailed answers to queries that i raise.

The Konza City website does not provide detailed info that i can use to enable deeper understanding.

Pro-Konza Wazuans also do not provide this much needed info.

If Konza Team/Ministry of Info had a Kenyan Architectural/Engineering/legal/finance team, i could have called them for technical answers to my queries.

The current technical team i.e Worldbank/IFC and London based engineers seem too far-off to answer hence i haven't bothered to ask them.


See this article here about Florida in the 1920s and how high land prices led to loss of investments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/..._land_boom_of_the_1920s
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