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Streetswise or Bookwise?
essyk
#1 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 1:10:40 PM
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Hi all,

Simple question.I just want to know from esteemed forumites.
What propels people forward in business and life?

I see intellectually smart people struggling through life.Nothing seems to work in their favour.Just tour some of these goverment institutions and meet Yale educated 'old'men sitted on old torn chairs. Maisha ni stress tu with their lives revolving around newspapers,home and work.
But! their words of wisdom are gold.So we cherish their advise but despise their way of living.Sad

On the other hand we have this group of people whose work is just to show and manna falls,Like one eastlands politician.
What opens doors for them is their swag and knowledge of 'how to do it without books'
This group have hot air in their heads so we don't really pay attention to them yet we admire their lifestye.

If asked I would say a combination of both is the best but again people that don't have much to show in terms of education are really breaking grounds.Esp now that social media is really making headways in all circles and spheres of life. Makes me think that all you need nowadays is twitter and you have a crowd.

Can we hear your view on this please?
Thank you.smile
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
YoungMulla
#2 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 1:21:49 PM
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I think both matter in equal proportions.I enjoy street knowledge more but the truth is, one needs both,each compliments the other.
Before I die - i will touch the sky!!
essyk
#3 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 1:41:24 PM
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@youngmulla

If you can run a quick scan through your network of friends including those you schooled with what comparison do you see?
I always ask why it is that the dunderheads are the ones who seem to breakthrough obstacles and rise above poverty tides.They just have all manner of connections and know their way through rigid laid down procedures and systems.
The intellects on the other hand are sort of rigid and want to follow rules some which work to their disadvantage, thereby causing them to lag behind or climb up slowly.

Or does the environment play a role in this? meaning if you are an intellect in the west you are guaranteed instant success but in the developing world,it just don't matter.Ujuaji is what will sort you out.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
pariah
#4 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 1:53:02 PM
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Success is very relative, the old wazees you describe working for GoK with Yale degrees could as wel living their dreams and are very successful in their eyes. Look at the boards of all top listed companies and show me a couple of street wise semi literate Kenyans. Education is supposed to prepare you for life its not a measure of how successful you are going to be.


If I were you I would still take my kids to school and not the street
essyk
#5 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:12:38 PM
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Quote:
Success is very relative, the old wazees you describe working for GoK with Yale degrees could as wel living their dreams and are very successful in their eyes. Look at the boards of all top listed companies and show me a couple of street wise semi literate Kenyans. Education is supposed to prepare you for life its not a measure of how successful you are going to be.


If I were you I would still take my kids to school and not the street


You know you are somehow right.Most of them take pride in having educated their kids to university or having a plot in shags.Is that the full purpose of life now? Toiling your entire life to make other people's lives better and crucifying your own? no rest ever till u die?
What about the bolded?
Education prepares us for life you say, well somebody else would argue that experience prepares us for life,after all not all educated people know how to navigate their way through life.They suck at basic decision making.

If education prepares us for life Pariah, then isn't that life supposed to be a success? Don't you think that success should be an outer manifestation of the level of education then?

But that is not the case you know since we see success but no brains behind it.Ujanja tu.

And those you refer to could be just the minority we know of and most of them without connection wouldnt even be there.
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digitek1
#6 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:24:11 PM
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success is the journey not a destination
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kiterunner
#7 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:38:30 PM
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@essyk success is very relative, to a professor publishing in a high impact factor journal ans being recognized as an authority is the epitome of success, to some people is how much they are worth in property that counts as success, While to others it is changing the lives of others. So your definition of success wont suit everyone else
our goals are best achieved indirectly
essyk
#8 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:42:37 PM
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Quote:
success is the journey not a destination


@ digitek ur answer leaves me with more questions.

How is success a journey if success is defined as

'The achievement of something desired, planned, or attempted:
'Its an end product not a process.

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@essyk success is very relative, to a professor publishing in a high impact factor journal ans being recognized as an authority is the epitome of success, to some people is how much they are worth in property that counts as success, While to others it is changing the lives of others. So your definition of success wont suit everyone else


Now that makes lots of sense.Thank u.

So that guy in kibera slum whose main goal in life was to have say 8 kids and 3 wives and he has managed to do it can call himself successfull.smile
After all he achieved his desire.

Who determines if you are successful then,is it the society or yourself??? Why should we therefore judge those who have achieved their goals even if the goals only increased the society's burden?

It's really difficult to say its relative even though it is.




"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
tycho
#9 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 5:07:25 PM
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People don't get things because they know how to get them, or because they know certain things exist: instead, they get because they seek. And everyone is free to choose.

Then an external observer's judgement is limited to only that is which is statistically normal (a form of tyranny in itself), and this in effect turns out to be an evaluation of the observer's self and not of the 'other.'

So, streetwise or bookwise? The question dissolves . . .

pariah
#10 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 5:17:44 PM
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Let us cut to the chase, essyk are you successful? People who spend a lot of your time on the net, and here on wazua dont have a social life outside this virtual world. Even they had a PhD, the prescribed one child, a fat bank account, ..... many people would consider them a hit success but some wont, so in your own terms are you successful?
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