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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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chaimani wrote:the deal wrote:Talking is a waste of time, what you should be doing is looking for an entry point...they're not raising cash to eat...they're raising cash to buy assets. How do we get information if you what us to be quite? And what information have u gotten here? Please share?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/23/2010 Posts: 868 Location: La Islas Galápagos
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Why do i have this feeling that KQ is getting their 14 bob anyway? Citi have underwritten the issue, and its them who will buy an 8 bob share at 14. Essentially, KQ shorted their own stock. A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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StatMeister wrote:Why do i have this feeling that KQ is getting their 14 bob anyway?
Citi have underwritten the issue, and its them who will buy an 8 bob share at 14.
Essentially, KQ shorted their own stock. If I was the CEO of Citi in the US I would look for the guys who approved this debacle here in kenya and pistol whip them... This must be a plan to chase off small shareholders.. The minority should file to the courts for protection from oppression by the majority.. Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/23/2010 Posts: 868 Location: La Islas Galápagos
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guru267 wrote:StatMeister wrote:Why do i have this feeling that KQ is getting their 14 bob anyway?
Citi have underwritten the issue, and its them who will buy an 8 bob share at 14.
Essentially, KQ shorted their own stock. If I was the CEO of Citi in the US I would look for the guys who approved this debacle here in kenya and pistol whip them... This must be a plan to chase off small shareholders.. The minority should file to the courts for protection from oppression by the majority.. Suppose that 25% of shares are not taken up, then Citi will have to buy them at 14. This means Citi will put 14*125m = 5.6b Citi will then either hold them or sell them, whichever way, if the price settles to 8bob, Citi has to impair 2.4b. That’s their profits for 4 years. I hope this does not spill over to banking A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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I have a hunch that kq will rally past 14.00before the new shares start ,.trading,especially around time for announcement of rights results pp The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: User Joined: 1/24/2012 Posts: 1,675 Location: In Da Hood
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/16/2009 Posts: 1,464
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StatMeister wrote:Why do i have this feeling that KQ is getting their 14 bob anyway?
Citi have underwritten the issue, and its them who will buy an 8 bob share at 14.
Essentially, KQ shorted their own stock. Citi with all it's financial experience and wide base of professional resource would goof on something the 'nmwananchi' already knows is a NO GO??? I doubt. There must be something Citi knows tha we don't.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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Pierce wrote:StatMeister wrote:Why do i have this feeling that KQ is getting their 14 bob anyway?
Citi have underwritten the issue, and its them who will buy an 8 bob share at 14.
Essentially, KQ shorted their own stock. Citi with all it's financial experience and wide base of professional resource would goof on something the 'nmwananchi' already knows is a NO GO??? I doubt. There must be something Citi knows tha we don't. KQ’s risk management team looks smarter than the Citibank’s in the immediate time. As time ticks, citi could be the ones smiling. But then again, there was word that 80% of the shareholders have promised to pick their rights. One can even tell that the volumes changing hands at this period are wanjikus
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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I will buy my discounted rights sub 10 from mr. Market. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,107 Location: Nairobi
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"...according to Clark, who says he’s sticking with a no-hedging strategy rather than risking a losing bet.
“You think you’re going to win, but in the long term you always lose,” Clark said yesterday at the Gulf carrier’s head office near Dubai International Airport. “When we enter into derivatives, betting whatever it may be with counterparties who actually control the price of fuel in the first place, you have to ask yourself, ‘Is that smart?’” http://www.bloomberg.com...il-in-fuel-squeeze.html
Well, compare KQ vs Emirates! KQ has made net losses since they started hedging. These hedges are sold by financial institutions that in turn buy/sell the same hedges... It's the fox guarding the hen-house. Citi will get a good deal. KQ's NAV is much higher than 14/-. Even after the Rights, the NAV will be above 14/- [and a lot of it in cash]. Furthermore, Citibank will INSIST in being the main bank for KQ's Rights Issue thus earning fees, commissions & arbitrage income. Citi will also get a DISCOUNT on the Rights Issue. Yes, suckers, Citi will pay less than 14/-. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote: Furthermore, Citibank will INSIST in being the main bank for KQ's Rights Issue thus earning fees, commissions & arbitrage income.
I thought KCB was appointed the main bank for the rights issue?? VituVingiSana wrote: Citi will also get a DISCOUNT on the Rights Issue. Yes, suckers, Citi will pay less than 14/-. How exactly will this happen?? KQ is raising 20.7 billion meaning that they require a MINIMUM of 14bob per share on the rights which CITI has underwritten.. So if the shares are under subscribed CITI must buy the remaining rights at 14bob even if the shares on the market are 7bob.. Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 405 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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guru267 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: Furthermore, Citibank will INSIST in being the main bank for KQ's Rights Issue thus earning fees, commissions & arbitrage income.
I thought KCB was appointed the main bank for the rights issue?? VituVingiSana wrote: Citi will also get a DISCOUNT on the Rights Issue. Yes, suckers, Citi will pay less than 14/-. How exactly will this happen?? KQ is raising 20.7 billion meaning that they require a MINIMUM of 14bob per share on the rights which CITI has underwritten.. So if the shares are under subscribed CITI must buy the remaining rights at 14bob even if the shares on the market are 7bob.. With the price falling much below the rights price, the possibility of citi bank having to underwrite upto 20% of the rights (about the fraction of local KQ shareholders) becomes a real possibility. By underwritting about 20% of rights (about 290M shares), Citi bank may end up owning 15% of KQ post rights!!! I still believe the KQ expansion is over ambitious especially considering the many variables currently affecting the airline business. The Ksh 20.7B to be raised by the rights issue is only a 10% down payment for the planes!!! My concern is the level of debt they will have to take to pay the balance. It would be prudent to stay out of this share for the short to medium term. Happy Hunting
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/30/2010 Posts: 1,635
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Underwriters buy at a discount...incase if it gets undersubscribed citi will buy it less at less than 14/-
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,107 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: Furthermore, Citibank will INSIST in being the main bank for KQ's Rights Issue thus earning fees, commissions & arbitrage income.
I thought KCB was appointed the main bank for the rights issue?? VituVingiSana wrote: Citi will also get a DISCOUNT on the Rights Issue. Yes, suckers, Citi will pay less than 14/-. How exactly will this happen?? KQ is raising 20.7 billion meaning that they require a MINIMUM of 14bob per share on the rights which CITI has underwritten.. So if the shares are under subscribed CITI must buy the remaining rights at 14bob even if the shares on the market are 7bob.. There are local sales & foreign sales. A lot of KQ shares are owned by 'foreigners' so the forex would remain with Citi. Underwriters get a fee or discount to underwrite a Rights Issue. This fee/discount means Citi effectively pays LESS than 14/-. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: User Joined: 1/24/2012 Posts: 1,675 Location: In Da Hood
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its very important to know the market trend when approaching this right . remember britak ? the market was down and yet people were buying the ipo . me i would urge people to keep off this one and buy after the rights start trading . i just donot see where a rally will come from given that KQ is mostly a foreign investors dominated and currently they arenot in this market !
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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So citibank had signed a price edge gambling or what?why havent they pulled out? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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mlennyma wrote:So citibank had signed a price edge gambling or what?why havent they pulled out? The contract was binding ama? There must be an exit clause to comply with. The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: User Joined: 1/24/2012 Posts: 1,675 Location: In Da Hood
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mlennyma wrote:So citibank had signed a price edge gambling or what?why havent they pulled out? there's nothing like price edge gambling
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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I will tell my children and generation to never buy airline stocks The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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