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Telkom Kenya In Dire Straits
mkeiy
#21 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:58:24 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
mkeiy wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
F**k Telkom, let them die!


BTW, my landline hasn't worked in 8 months now, and they keep sending me bills and threats of disconnections! HILARIOUS...








However, mine doesn't even have a dialling tone. If they want to disconnect they are free to do so, I will never settle their bill!


That's why i was asking, why keep it if it ain't working.

About Telkom, it's not like we are killing the employees, so i don't see how the argument by @the deal fits in. You don't create employment for the sake of it. There should be value generated by the employees, not just dishing out paychecks.
As of now, no value, and it has been the trend so far.
hisah
#22 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 6:48:01 PM
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So if Telkom goes bust with SCB and KCB taking the hit from the default, going by SCB's capital ratio it would take a nasty knock. What of the resulting interbank panic... Not forgetting a number of banks got crafty and cut back their bad debt provision cushions to boost the 2011 profits... This is beginning to feel creapy...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
chiaroscuro
#23 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:22:30 PM
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What I found shocking is that their losses are greater than their turnover!

It means that all they are doing with the borrowed money is pay bills and salaries.

This is NOT a going concern.

Some one should buy it out for sh20 - yes, 20bob, then call in Joe Ciano to sort it out...
jaco78
#24 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:50:04 PM
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the deal wrote:
Just bail out the damn thing atleast its providing jobs


simple cost benefit analysis: rather than a 10 billion bail out one company with kedo 1000 jobs, wouldn't we rather use 1 billion to retrench these employees with generous golden parachutes? and loan our sugar companies 1 billion each to install diffusers & power plants run by baggase (improve efficiency, create jobs, reduce price of sugar).I guarantee you if we go the bail out route telcom kenya will be back with a begging bowl within 12 months demanding 20 billion of my hard earned taxes.
the deal
#25 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:36:01 PM
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jaco78 wrote:
the deal wrote:
Just bail out the damn thing atleast its providing jobs


simple cost benefit analysis: rather than a 10 billion bail out one company with kedo 1000 jobs, wouldn't we rather use 1 billion to retrench these employees with generous golden parachutes? and loan our sugar companies 1 billion each to install diffusers & power plants run by baggase (improve efficiency, create jobs, reduce price of sugar).I guarantee you if we go the bail out route telcom kenya will be back with a begging bowl within 12 months demanding 20 billion of my hard earned taxes.

Look at Uchumi...look at what the American Goverment did during the GFC to save it's institutions...and save the world in the process!!! What would be the impact on the economy if Telkom went under??? Jobs should be a starting point in your analysis smile
hisah
#26 Posted : Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:08:35 AM
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the deal wrote:
jaco78 wrote:
the deal wrote:
Just bail out the damn thing atleast its providing jobs


simple cost benefit analysis: rather than a 10 billion bail out one company with kedo 1000 jobs, wouldn't we rather use 1 billion to retrench these employees with generous golden parachutes? and loan our sugar companies 1 billion each to install diffusers & power plants run by baggase (improve efficiency, create jobs, reduce price of sugar).I guarantee you if we go the bail out route telcom kenya will be back with a begging bowl within 12 months demanding 20 billion of my hard earned taxes.

Look at Uchumi...look at what the American Goverment did during the GFC to save it's institutions...and save the world in the process!!! What would be the impact on the economy if Telkom went under??? Jobs should be a starting point in your analysis smile

Sparta has been bailed out x times. Telkom has been bailed x times. All looking like blackholes. Let the thing tip over, competition will sort out itself. That's what free markets do... Did the US save the globe. Nop. CDS market is now a giant blackhole. Auto industry, no comment. Mortgage market, no comment, number of bank failures since 2008 - check FDIC list. Sweeping dirt under the carpet just hides the mess for a while till the rug is pulled and the mess is exposed.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
madhaquer
#27 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:15:14 AM
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Telkom need not go down. But it needs to loose some fat.
There are alot of good assets in it's books that would interest any competiotor or major player, if France Telkom can't handle the heat they should sell out and leave.

If you consider the nofbi fiber, Teams and Eassy landing stations, the several telephone exchanges and intercity and metro fiber telkom has, they have no rival in this region.

But they have an ineffecient copper landline network built in it's parastatal days that makes no sense to still maintain.
Seriously why maintain a wireline based landline system in some remote town in this country where only the police, the DO and the local health center have a functional line?
They have an overlaid cdma and gsm network that can absorb that.

They have probably tinkered with more technology than any other player in the region yet they cannot support any of them profitably because they have too much fat, most of it is unnecessary baggage that they need to shed.

Imagine if they sold all the telephone exchanges in Nairobi. That is prime real estate of between 1 and 2 acres each.
Why own 3 office buildings in CBD ? they should sell extelecoms house and probably telephone house too.
What about their Longonot earth station no longer functional due to lack of innovative techs ?
Why have a GSM network with less than 100,000 subscribers ? shut the thing down! stop the bleeding.

Focus on what can pay for itself, lay off more workers, shut down the copper network outside major cities and replace the lines with cdma phones. Stop blaming the problem on copper theft when there is so much fiber to go around and there is competitive wireless technology in hand.

Someone should hang the CEO, the board and the senior management.
mlennyma
#28 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:26:05 AM
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We said the price wars will cripple the sector and like cancer spread to the entire economy.all in the sector are crying for practising charity in business.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
itz
#29 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:47:24 AM
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just buy safcom shares and chill.this will be the last man standing.
Gathige
#30 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:48:10 AM
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There was an interesting article in the DN by Jaidi Kisero on the same. His main argument was that the Privatization of Telkom was a case study on how not to go about privatization.

Telkom Kenya should just be let to die rather than sinking more taxpayers money into it. There are so many opportunities yet the management and owners rather than innovating just waits for Government bailout. Remember, if you are in a hole, don't dig any deeper as you get deeper the more! More money to them more debts and finally the French will leave a shell after they have re-couped their initial investments.


"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
madhaquer
#31 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 10:47:37 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
We said the price wars will cripple the sector and like cancer spread to the entire economy.all in the sector are crying for practising charity in business.


The price wars have nothing much to do with Telkom's death. It is the entry into an already flooded GSM market and the internal inefficiencies that are it's downfall.
Impunity
#32 Posted : Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:56:37 PM
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They should re-intro the famous booths to take the place left by simu ya jamii,then charge cheaper than the next cheapest mobile operator.
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hisah
#33 Posted : Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:48:28 PM
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itz wrote:
just buy safcom shares and chill.this will be the last man standing.

When the sector fallout boosts scom does that mean CCK will have to kill it due to their dominance rule?
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
chemos
#34 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 10:04:57 AM
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One word on all this.... Paul Ndung'u and his boyz.. theres something cooking... This guys got into Telkom with all their tentacles. Gameplan is to make the company look like poop then engineer its selloff(them being the buyers).
Mark my words this guys are going to be majority shareholders in a little while... The amount of property that Telkom sits on...
Dash
#35 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 11:24:51 AM
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Impunity wrote:
They should re-intro the famous booths to take the place left by simu ya jamii,then charge cheaper than the next cheapest mobile operator.


With Kenya's amazing vandalism?
youcan'tstopusnow
#36 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:01:57 PM
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Telkom Kenya boosts data services with new sea cable
http://www.businessdaily...2/-/hexi4h/-/index.html
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
pariah
#37 Posted : Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:12:12 AM
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word doing the round is they provided campaign money in 2007, GoK will handle them nicely and probably bail them out, we all know how the french can be with 'demonstrations' they may squeal
madhaquer
#38 Posted : Monday, April 02, 2012 12:59:14 PM
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Rumor has is that certain 12 personalities are responsible for half of telkom's payroll. Me thinks that's where the problem really is.
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