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GREATEST FOOTBALLER OF ALL TIME
maka
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 3:26:40 PM
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Take a look at this then decide...oooh plus remembering one is still playing...

OPINION POLL:

Who is the greatest footballer of all time? Lionel Messi, Diego Maradona or Edson Arantes Do Nascimento (Pele)?



A. LIONEL MESSI ACHIEVEMENTS:



I. BARCELONA

· La Liga (5): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11

· Copa del Rey (1): 2008–09; Runner-up 2010–11

· Supercopa de España (5): 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011

· UEFA Champions League (3): 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11

· UEFA Super Cup (2): 2009, 2011; Runner-up 2006

· FIFA Club World Cup (2): 2009, 2011



II. ARGENTINA

· FIFA U-20 World Cup: 2005

· Olympic Gold Medal: 2008

· Copa América: Runner-up 2007



III. PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENTS

· FIFA Ballon d’Or: 2010, 2011

· Ballon d’Or: 2009

· Golden Ball: FIFA U-20 World Cup: 2005

· Golden Boot: FIFA U-20 World Cup: 2005

· Golden Boy: 2005

· World Soccer Young Player of the Year: 2006, 2007

· Olimpia de Plata: Argentinian Player of the Year: 2005

· FIFPro World Young Player of the Year: 2006

· FIFPro World XI: 2007

· Best foreign player in La Liga: 2007

· France Football Player of the Year: 3rd place: 2007

· World Soccer Footballer of the Year: 2nd place: 2007

· FIFA World Player of the Year: 2nd place: 2007



IV. GOALS SCORED

Years Apps (Goals)

2003–2004 8 (5)

2004–2005 22 (6)

2004– 201 (147)

2005 Argentina U20 7 (6)

2008 Argentina U23 5 (2)

2005– Argentina 67 (22)



B. DIEGO MARADONA

I. CLUB ACHIEVEMENTS

Boca Juniors

· Primera División: 1981

Barcelona

· Copa del Rey: 1983

· Copa de la Liga: 1983

· Supercopa de España: 1983

Napoli

· Serie A: 1987, 1990

· Coppa Italia: 1987

· UEFA Cup: 1989

· Supercoppa Italiana: 1990

II. ARGENTINA

a. FIFA World Youth Championship: 1979

b. FIFA World Cup:

i. Winner: 1986

ii. Runner-up: 1990

c. Artemio Franchi Trophy: 1993

d. 75th anniversary FIFA Cup: 1979



III. PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENTS

· Golden Ball for Best Player of the FIFA U-20 World Cup: 1979

· Argentine league Top Scorer: 1979, 1980, 1981

· Argentine Football Writers' Footballer of the Year: 1979, 1980, 1981, 1986

· South American Footballer of the Year (El Mundo, Caracas): 1979, 1986, 1989, 1990, 1992

· Olimpia de Oro: 1979, 1986

· Italian Guerin d'Oro: 1985

· Argentine Sports Writers' Sportsman of the Year: 1986

· Golden Ball for Best Player of the FIFA World Cup: 1986

· L'Équipe Champion of Champions – 1986

· United Press International Athlete of the Year Award: 1986

· Best Footballer in the World Onze d'Or: 1986, 1987

· World Player of the Year (World Soccer Magazine): 1986

· Capocannoniere (Serie A top scorer): 1987–88

· Golden Ball for services to football (France Football): 1996

· Argentine Sports Writers' Sportsman of the Century: 1999

· Marca Leyenda: 1999

· Argentine Senate "Domingo Faustino Sarmiento" recognition for lifetime achievement:

· "FIFA Goal of the Century" (1986 (2–1) v. England; second goal): 2002

· FIFA Player of the Century





IV. GOALS SCORED

Total in club competitions:

589 appearances 311 goals for Boca, Napoli and Barcelona

91 appearances and 34 goals for Argentina







C. EDSON ARANTES DO NASCIMENTO

I. CLUB ACHIEVEMENTS

· Santos

o Copa Libertadores top scorer (1): 1965.

o Campeonato Paulista top scorer (11): 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1969, 1973.

· Brazil

o Copa América top scorer (1): 1959

· BBC Sports Personality of the Year Overseas Personality:

o Winner (1): 1970

· FIFA World Cup (Best Young Player):

o Winner (1): 1958

· FIFA World Cup (Silver Boot): 1958

· FIFA World Cup Silver Ball: 1958

· FIFA World Cup Golden Ball (Best Player):



II. BRAZIL

· Roca Cup: 1957, 1963

· FIFA World Cup: Winner 1958, 1962, 1970

III. PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENTS

· Athlete of the Century, elected by worldwide journalists, poll by French daily L'Equipe: 1981

· South American Footballer of the Year: 1973

· Inducted into the American National Soccer Hall of Fame in 1993

· Knight Commander of the British Empire: 1997

· Athlete of the Century, by Reuters News Agency: 1999

· Athlete of the Century, elected by International Olympic Committee: 1999

· UNICEF Football Player of the Century: 1999

· TIME One of the 100 Most Important People of the 20th Century: 1999

· FIFA Player of the Century

· Football Player of the Century, elected by France Football's Golden Ball Winners : 1999[15]




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hoodrat
#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 3:53:42 PM
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Truly the greatest without doubt.The only blemish is to lead his country La Albiceleste to world cup glory!
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Robinhood
#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:01:52 PM
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Maradona is certainly the GOAT. He inspired his team to a world cup trophy, something that Messi has been unable to do, though his on pitch wizardry is legendary.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:53:17 PM
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..... How about in Africa? I will pick Mohamed Aboutrika ahead of George Weah.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:12:29 PM
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harrydre
#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:45:05 PM
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Pele...watch some of his great videos
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masukuma
#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:07:42 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Where is Zidane?

Zi..who?
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masukuma
#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:20:31 PM
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Well, Messi is astounding, he has a great future and his character may just keep him glowing for longer! No one really hates Messi - he is a good guy, never picking fights no attitude just scores effortlessly. As far as being a great goal scorer is concerned - Pele scored 1281 goals in 1363 games!!! woi!!
However, Messi will go far (he may not get the 1k plus goals) but he will pita that maembe called Maradona who allowed fame to get into his head. Maradona was brilliant, he could score from a kick off! he was so good during his time he had a parody religion. he however did not fully blossom due to his attitude and use of recreational drugs.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:38:31 PM
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pele, messi and maradonna in that order. i still remember ronaldinho, who mentored messi at barca.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:13:46 PM
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Just because Pele is black, Messi and Maradona are better than him!! Bollocks. I see this a lot in the white controlled media. But like the great man himself said "let him score 1281 goals and win 3 world cups then we can talk" That said Messi still has time on his side and he is good.
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masukuma
#11 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:25:25 AM
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is the order of the list above of any significance?
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maka
#12 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:50:15 AM
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masukuma wrote:
is the order of the list above of any significance?

@masukuma...should it be?or thats the way it should be...
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masukuma
#13 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:14:40 AM
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maka wrote:
masukuma wrote:
is the order of the list above of any significance?

@masukuma...should it be?or thats the way it should be...

the way it should be is (AS OF NOW)

- Pele
- Maradona
- Messi

Messi will overtake Maradona soon... but that scoring from kick off thing...well it takes guts and genius.
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mkeiy
#14 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 9:29:05 AM
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Soccer is a team sport, i don't expect Messi to win a world cup single-handedly. I never got to see Pele, some snippets of Maradona, but i would not take it from Messi just coz he hasn't won a world cup or clocked 1k of goals. He's phenomenal.
conos
#15 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:10:02 AM
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Pele is tha 'GOAT'Applause Applause
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masukuma
#16 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:26:45 AM
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mkeiy wrote:
Soccer is a team sport, i don't expect Messi to win a world cup single-handedly. I never got to see Pele, some snippets of Maradona, but i would not take it from Messi just coz he hasn't won a world cup or clocked 1k of goals. He's phenomenal.

i think we are missing the point here...all the above are/were phenomenal players, Wizards, Geniuses.
In primary school and high school we used to have a certain wizard with the ball called Ephantus Kariuki Gitiba that guy was one with the ball. but our school was maembe in football and his sole effort could not move us so...he was never discovered. was he phenomenal? yeah, was he a great player - yes. was he the best player in the world...we cannot say - he never had the opportunity to prove himself elsewhere.
In order for you to qualify as a great player, you cannot be like Ephantus Kariuki Gitiba...personally very good but with a team that cannot assist you. Messi is the same with Ephantus, his national side is not helping him and he may never win 3 worldcups (ultimate achievement), he may never come close to 1k goals but he is the best of our time...he is the best NOW! we have to wait until he retires before making any ruling but as things stand - he is number 3. Will he like Pele become a legend and be remembered 34 years after his last match? having his name showing up in polls in obscure african forums? Let's wait and see!
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TAZ
#17 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:45:56 PM
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Football has changed a lot over the years, FIFA rules keep changing every year. You cannot compare World Cup ya 1950' & 60s with what we have at the moment.....even the teams were few then. If you take a look at videos za those days and compare that to what we have in the modern game then you'd realize we are miles apart...though we also had some good goals then.

If we are looking for the best footballer of all time then we should be focusing on individual achievements. If you look at the statistics above no one comes close to Messi at Club level. Apart from Winning the World Cup with their National teams can Pele and Maradona really claim to be better than him in the other competitions/Awards? At 24 yrs old and he's already a legend at a time when we've had so many good players before him.
masukuma
#18 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:10:15 PM
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you are right - one has to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. we must admit that there are many medals to be won these days however the true test of greatness is not done during the time when you are playing and others have retired but after. when all these guys have retire and way after the scene is take over by some other person - do you think the name Messi will be in the minds and hearts of individuals if he does not win the world cup and win it in a stunning manner? the truth is , we are blinded by how good he is - one week after he scored 5 goals in UEFA (a feat). but in 20 years will we say - do you remember Messi? He scored 5 goals in some nondescript match with some funny team in the UEFA champions league in 2012? The question is WILL MESSI BECOME A LEGEND WITHOUT THE WORLD CUP even to his people the Argentines? George best is remembered to this day as a legend by the English. Alan Shearer with his 422 goals...not as huge a legend as Best with his 205 goals ....why...BECAUSE WORLDCUPS MATTER!! Winning one for your country is the highest achievement a soccer player can get.
p.s. you cannot be a legend during your own time...you become a legend later! you are phenomenal at the time you are playing.
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hoodrat
#19 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:26:04 PM
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masukuma wrote:
you are right - one has to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. we must admit that there are many medals to be won these days however the true test of greatness is not done during the time when you are playing and others have retired but after. when all these guys have retire and way after the scene is take over by some other person - do you think the name Messi will be in the minds and hearts of individuals if he does not win the world cup and win it in a stunning manner? the truth is , we are blinded by how good he is - one week after he scored 5 goals in UEFA (a feat). but in 20 years will we say - do you remember Messi? He scored 5 goals in some nondescript match with some funny team in the UEFA champions league in 2012? The question is WILL MESSI BECOME A LEGEND WITHOUT THE WORLD CUP even to his people the Argentines? George best is remembered to this day as a legend by the English. Alan Shearer with his 422 goals...not as huge a legend as Best with his 205 goals ....why...BECAUSE WORLDCUPS MATTER!! Winning one for your country is the highest achievement a soccer player can get.
p.s. you cannot be a legend during your own time...you become a legend later! you are phenomenal at the time you are playing.

George Best was Northern Irish and he never graced the world cup nor the euros.Anyway the point he is still considered a great!
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TAZ
#20 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:18:38 PM
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@ Masukuma.....Players such as Ronaldo (Brazil) & Muller had very good records for both Club and country...but they are not regarded as Legends, can you remember who scored for Italy in 2006 final? Nowadays CL football dictates how successful you are as a football player. That is why Messi won 2010 Player of the year despite his National Team's poor performance at the WC. He is not just a goal scoring machine but a football genius as well. Rarely is the ball allowed to leave his incredible sphere of influence....its as if its glued to his foot. Teams and managers go out of their way to neutralise the prodigy.

We are already comparing him to football greats at a very young age, we can only imagine what he's yet to achieve.
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