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hisah
#2241 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 7:02:54 AM
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So yesterday brent touched $128.40 (levels last seen in 2008 in the process Euro brent broke above 2008 highs) and WTI hit $110.55 on Saudi oil pipeline attack rumours. Fireworks coming soon as oil goes parabolic. Oil importing nations had better start printing oil... http://www.reuters.com/a...l-idUSL2E8E1AEQ20120301

Sarkozy's kodak moment as he's forced to hide in a bar to flee angry french protestors loaded with eggs as missiles - http://www.bbc.co.uk/new...ope-17228029#TWEET90736

I thought Iran was banned from trading with US - http://uk.reuters.com/ar...t-idUKL2E8E13RZ20120301

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
karanjakinuthia
#2242 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 11:29:29 AM
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Credit Default Swaps are not worth the paper they are written on.

"A 70% haircut in the value of the Greek sovereign debt does not constitute a credit event defined as a credit default according to the most powerful financial entity on the planet, the ISDA. This group is more financially influential than governments today. This decision by the revered members of the Association’s Determinations Committee has acted to prevent the notional value of all the credit default swaps, an OTC derivative, from becoming real value as would occur if the CDSs were called upon to function.

The ISDA has, according to MSM, taken offense to being described as secretive in its proceedings. The ISDA said minutes of the meeting of the committee would not be publicly distributed as the decision was unanimous.

What has occurred in what is now described as “the successful handling of the Greek problem” by the ECB is in fact a total disaster for mankind in its introduction of QE to Infinity as the blessed settlement to a problem that now is more severe than it was prior to the Lehman event. That problem is that the mountain of OTC derivative has not been attended to, but rather has grown to include the size of all Western world sovereign debt as it is all western sovereign debt that is now threatened by an event of default on a national level. That will simply occur regardless of whatever the ISDA says. Much of it will not be paid, period...."

Read more:

http://www.jsmineset.com...-events-of-this-period/

hisah
#2243 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2012 12:36:44 PM
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And those hedgefunds refusing to take a haircut on the 'selective default' of Sparta are getting threats...

http://dealbook.nytimes....ial-warns-debt-holdouts/
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#2244 Posted : Sunday, March 04, 2012 12:35:53 PM
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Since ECB has decided to surordinate all greek bondholders and ISDA goes along with the rigging to declare Sparta has not defaulted, one wonders who will buy the CDS for the other PIIGS from the main sellers - US banks. EU's LTRO cannot provide that liquidity, it's just a short term stop-gap measure. So when push comes to shove ECB, IMF & US Fed will be forced to QE and that will send commodities flying in one direction - up esp oil, gold, silver & food contracts. Then inflation follows suit. Then Iran or some nation will take the blame as well as oil speculators. This is the likely script for 2012. If the opposite path is taken, many banksters & gubberments will see endless revolts. Either way the outcome in future still points to a massive deleveraging period to reset everything, be it debt forgiveness or outright currency devaluations.
A very interesting decade full of reward for those nations at the bottom of debt bomb tank. 3rd world nations will definitely benefit the most during tbat capital flight period aka wealth transfer. And with the current EA oily moves, it will start here smile
2014 - 2015 should be the mother of the boom start. I'm most bullish from this period onwards...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#2245 Posted : Monday, March 05, 2012 7:38:00 AM
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Euroland PIIGS deposits trend. Quite interesting. Something has been running away quietly.

http://www.zerohedge.com...t/2012/01/Bank%20Run.jpg
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
platinum seeker
#2246 Posted : Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:15:50 PM
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Goldman Secret Greece Loan Reveals Two Sinners
“The Goldman Sachs deal is a very sexy story between two sinners....,”
http://www.bloomberg.com...as-client-unravels.html
hisah
#2247 Posted : Tuesday, March 06, 2012 6:57:13 PM
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platinum seeker wrote:
Goldman Secret Greece Loan Reveals Two Sinners
“The Goldman Sachs deal is a very sexy story between two sinners....,”
http://www.bloomberg.com...as-client-unravels.html

How is a debt bomb entrapment sexy... Lame stream media... Brick wall
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#2248 Posted : Wednesday, March 07, 2012 7:16:02 AM
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$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#2249 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:49:56 AM
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Did ISDA just state that Sparta aka hellena has triggered a credit event on her debt restructure!?

CDS Auctions to be held on March 19th... CDS have been triggered???! List of bonds -

http://www2.isda.org/attachment/NDA4Mw==/ICM-
I want to believe I'm seeing my own things!?

http://www2.isda.org/new...o-the-hellenic-republic

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000077789

So it is no longer a Selective Default for Sparta as per the rating agencies... Ponzinomics never fails to put up a thrill show when least expected.

No wonder Greece's one year bond spiked up 11% yesterday. Now the yield reads 1,143%...


$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Mainat
#2250 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2012 2:21:36 PM
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Strange, but the payout is very small $3bn on effectively $100bn write off
Sehemu ndio nyumba
QW25091985
#2251 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:35:03 PM
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Latest news really lmao, Fitch can't find anymore alphabets for Grease anymore:

Fitch Downgrades Greece From C To Restricted Default
hisah
#2252 Posted : Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:14:13 AM
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Mainat wrote:
Strange, but the payout is very small $3bn on effectively $100bn write off

There is some talk about the railway bonds. The thot of some debts getting uncovered & exposed to a credit event in the process makes me shiver. This is spooky esp the calmness of lamestream media. I dont trust the stillness. Calm before the storm?

@Qw - remember a default is a default is a default whether selective, restricted, naked, half pregnant etc. The ponzi masters have put up quite a comedy show longer than expected. Applause
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#2253 Posted : Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:41:20 AM
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And the surreal news keeps on coming. US now classifies Vatican on the money laundering list...

http://www.huffingtonpos...kberry/p.html?id=1334704
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#2254 Posted : Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:13:36 AM
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Dollar trading volume vs US GDP. Ridiculous market casino this...

http://www.cross-currents.net/charts.htm
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#2255 Posted : Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:43:33 AM
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@Mainat - just have a look at the new hellena bonds those under the CAC agreement, the yield curve is already inverted even before they hit the road. So after a 70%+ haircut voluntary & forced after the PSI went thru, bondholders are pricing another default...!?

Na hii sparta ita default mara ngapi? I wish I could get such privileges from any bankster. I'd borrow to infinity while forcing haircuts and bailouts. The bankster would hate me for life smile
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#2256 Posted : Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:35:26 PM
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hisah wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Greece's collapse is not ze problem. Its the domino effect. Bear Stearns...


Watch the other PIIGS interest rates fall

A kodak moment... I hope you got your cameras smile


@guru @mainat - hope ur cameras are running. Let's see what happens this week now that ISDA has decided to rule that Sparta has triggered a credit event. Should there be a instance (highly probable just like Bear Stearns) that some debt was missed or hidden from the CAC agreement, euroland will be a stampede. And should those PIIGS rates spike esp Italy and Spain, no comment...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#2257 Posted : Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:46:11 PM
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Debtmocracy and How it works - https://www.youtube.com/...amp;lf=player_detailpage
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
platinum seeker
#2258 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2012 3:08:58 PM
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[quote=hisah]Debtmocracy and How it works - https://www.youtube.com/...mp;lf=player_detailpage[/quote]

could not have been put better...
platinum seeker
#2259 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2012 3:18:27 PM
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hisah wrote:
platinum seeker wrote:
Goldman Secret Greece Loan Reveals Two Sinners
“The Goldman Sachs deal is a very sexy story between two sinners....,”
http://www.bloomberg.com...as-client-unravels.html

How is a debt bomb entrapment sexy... Lame stream media... Brick wall


It's sexy in their eyes coz things are falling into place in favor of the money masters...aka 'Lord Aster Morgan Stanley Blackbeard the 911th' and his team Sad
hisah
#2260 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2012 11:42:28 PM
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Sparta's biggest bond ripoff and yet another bailout is sure to come...

http://www.theglobeandma...d-ripoff/article2366567/
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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