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KCB 2011 FYR: Roars above other banks Dividend 1.85
githundi
#21 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:09:24 PM
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The committee investigating the fall of the shilling named Kcb at the top of the pile as it had borrowed a whopping 148 b in 2011, a fifth of the total borrowed by all the banks through cbk discount window. It seems the great results are attributable to this and cost cutting. O.w Martin and the board have delivered.
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kizee1
#22 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:23:53 PM
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dunkang wrote:
This must be money made from the USD/KES scandal, just imagining how much Member will make since it was at the heart of it!

MEBA is plankton in the kenyan FX market, i think even I&M are a bigger player than them
githundi
#23 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:29:36 PM
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githundi wrote:
The committee investigating the fall of the shilling named Kcb at the top of the pile as it had borrowed a whopping 148 b in 2011, a fifth of the total borrowed by all the banks through cbk discount window. It seems the great results are attributable to this and cost cutting. O.w Martin and the board have delivered.

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/12af752z/-/index.html
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dunkang
#24 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:28:56 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
dunkang wrote:
This must be money made from the USD/KES scandal, just imagining how much Member will make since it was at the heart of it!

MEBA is plankton in the kenyan FX market, i think even I&M are a bigger player than them


Sir! You are very very very Wrong on this one!
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mlennyma
#25 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:02:32 PM
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The passing of the finance bill will open a dangerous error for banks...am watching to quit.
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the deal
#26 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:08:07 PM
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NEW POST: One can’t argue with this numbers, my only worry is that this kind of growth momentum will not be sustained for the next 2-3 years considering that it’s coming off a period in which the bank’s balance sheet was injected with almost Sh20 Billion of capital. The bank is less capitalized compared to Barclays Bank Kenya for example but on a PE of 5.5 and a dividend yield of 9% I rate KCB accumulate with a price target of Sh25 attainable within one year.

LINK http://www.contrarianinv...011-earnings-my-analysis
Aguytrying
#27 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:14:21 PM
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LOAAAAAAR!!!!!!

ITS OUR TIME TO EAT.
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mukiha
#28 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 7:54:53 AM
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dunkang wrote:
This must be money made from the USD/KES scandal, just imagining how much Member will make since it was at the heart of it!



githundi wrote:
githundi wrote:
The committee investigating the fall of the shilling named Kcb at the top of the pile as it had borrowed a whopping 148 b in 2011, a fifth of the total borrowed by all the banks through cbk discount window. It seems the great results are attributable to this and cost cutting. O.w Martin and the board have delivered.

http://www.nation.co.ke/...-/12af752z/-/index.html[/quote]



dunkang wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
[quote=dunkang]This must be money made from the USD/KES scandal, just imagining how much Member will make since it was at the heart of it!

MEBA is plankton in the kenyan FX market, i think even I&M are a bigger player than them


Sir! You are very very very Wrong on this one!


Don't base your argument on rumours from idiot MPs. Look at the AUDITED results...

Item number 6.3 in the P&L is "Foreign exchange trading income"

2010 = Sh2.775b
2011 = Sh3.608b

Now can you attribute that increment to the "USD/KES Scandal"?
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
kizee1
#29 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 9:09:48 AM
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dunkang wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
dunkang wrote:
This must be money made from the USD/KES scandal, just imagining how much Member will make since it was at the heart of it!

MEBA is plankton in the kenyan FX market, i think even I&M are a bigger player than them


Sir! You are very very very Wrong on this one!


am i? please prove me wrong, top 5 names in fx are
1. bbk
2. stanchart
3.kcb/citi
5. cfc stanbic..MEBA makes most of its FX income from sudan, prove otherwise
selah
#30 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 9:58:22 AM
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The interest rate started rising in Dec the last month of Banks FY...Now KCB has produced some very starling results Although it borrowed 8B to icrease its liquidity during the period.

Q1 will be very decisive in knowing how the rise in interest rates have impacted the banking industry especially the massive losses on Bonds and Liquidity issues that might result from the high cost of funds.

The strengthening of the KSh. might hit the banks who were holding the dollar if they did take the advantage of the swing.

'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
guru267
#31 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 10:18:18 AM
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selah wrote:
The interest rate started rising in Dec the last month of Banks FY..


How about you get your facts right.. The CBR rate started rising in september.. Before Q4 2011 began...
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tuvok
#32 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 10:58:32 AM
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Nonetheless..

LOAR!
selah
#33 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 11:20:08 AM
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guru267 wrote:
selah wrote:
The interest rate started rising in Dec the last month of Banks FY..


How about you get your facts right.. The CBR rate started rising in september.. Before Q4 2011 began...


In sept it was a marginal increase from 6.25 to 7% then I think it went up again to 11% b4 picking up the pace in Nov & Dec it was 16.5 and 18%.

From Nov(excuse my earlier error) the cost of funds has been high and I will repeat the Q1 will be decisive in knowing which bank was creative in managing this challenge...for instance in a bank like HFCK recorded a loss in cash from operations and in NIC its a decline.
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mwanahisa
#34 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 11:56:51 AM
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selah wrote:
..for instance in a bank like HFCK recorded a loss in cash from operations and in NIC its a decline.


I trust that this is hypothetical. HF's cost of funds will not rise as dramatically as you may expect. You will recall that they raised about 7B in a corporate bond offering sometime back, most of which was taken up at a fixed rate.

They will also now be operating current accounts which over time will bring down part of the expected increase in the cost of funds.
selah
#35 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 12:22:50 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
selah wrote:
..for instance in a bank like HFCK recorded a loss in cash from operations and in NIC its a decline.


I trust that this is hypothetical. HF's cost of funds will not rise as dramatically as you may expect. You will recall that they raised about 7B in a corporate bond offering sometime back, most of which was taken up at a fixed rate.

They will also now be operating current accounts which over time will bring down part of the expected increase in the cost of funds.


IF you can recall HFCK has been running adverts to attract depositors...I think I saw a 9% somewhere I cant recall...Even the MD intimated they were sourcing for external funding to cushion themselves from the high cost of funds locally.
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mwanahisa
#36 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 12:45:36 PM
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@selah, running adverts to attract deposits at 9% when you are lending at close to 20% is very different from what you had intimated in your earlier post specifically regarding HF. Incidentally the race for deposits is not unique to HF. CFC Stanbic are doing the same. I & M were also offering double digit interest rates for deposits as recently as last month.

I appreciate that net interest rate margins are thinning but this will not necessarily lead to an "operating loss".

HF were particularly lucky (or had excellent foresight) when they issued their bond as they locked in reasonably low rates. As you may be aware they were planning to issue a 25 year (you may correct me on the duration) bond, but the current cost is too prohibitive. It is for this reason that they are now considering raising the funds from abroad.
selah
#37 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 1:23:15 PM
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@mwanahisa Looking at HFCK cashflow its a negative and its liquidity ratio has an excess of 9% down from 35.7% last year...The bank needs cash and given the liquidity tightening by CBK be assured Like KCB last year HFCK might announce a Loan deal with an international bank.
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mwanahisa
#38 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 2:25:40 PM
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Selah. I would support such a strategy. So far HF has put borrowed funds to good use growing profits by one of the highest rates amongst Kenyan banks over the last 3 years. The appetite for home loans is clearly there - just not at the 20%+ ruling currently. So if they can borrow internationally and onlend at reasonable rates, that will be great. I just hope they will be able to hedge against the associated currency fluctuation risks.

selah wrote:
@mwanahisa Looking at HFCK cashflow its a negative and its liquidity ratio has an excess of 9% down from 35.7% last year...The bank needs cash and given the liquidity tightening by CBK be assured Like KCB last year HFCK might announce a Loan deal with an international bank.

slykat
#39 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 5:20:23 PM
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"These were very muscular Results. The Inflection in the Regional Subsidiaries Earnings Curve [Negative to Positive] is noteworthy and Regional Trade is a Rising Tide. I think it deserves to Trade towards a PE X 2011 FY of 10.00 which targets 37.2." Aly-Khan concludes.

That is rather unrealistically bullish under the current economic climate. Any believers?
Aguytrying
#40 Posted : Monday, March 05, 2012 12:13:02 PM
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Demand of 800,000 shares at 22.00.

Heavy supply of 1,100,000 shares at 22.50.

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