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virji1988
#1 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 7:07:00 AM
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people may sell their equity bank shares.. maybe if someone owned 1000 shares of EB,now he has 10000,so if he sells some to buy other shares.. for eg if he sales 9000,to get the money n buy more bargained priced shares,maybe AK @ 16sh...

isnt this true/happeninG????
jammo
#2 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 7:59:00 AM
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Virji.... If u had 1000 post split...after split u hav 10000. However...u hav to wait till mid may to get the 9000more shares. Between now and then...at 14bob...the share is very scarce...thus likely to do well..until the new shares.. A whole freakin 3.33BILLION shares will be credited into cds accounts ready for sale! No matter what u think even at 10bob we collectively need 30billion shillings to wipe out excess supply! That's like a whole new ipo! It will be murder!...to those buyin now and likely to forget the whole too important date..jus like wednesday's book closure came as a surprise. Compared to Cooperative's scenario.....

Cooperative is just fortunate they issued certificates thus scuttle probable one time market flood! Stop smiling.

The race is not always to the swift..nor the battle always to the strong..nor food always to the wise..nor riches always to the intelligent..favor is not always to the skilled..or learned..but time and chance happens to all. Ecl9:5..
mv ufanisi
#3 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 8:10:00 AM
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A stock is not just a symbol that people trade around with in the stock market. The value of a stock is actually the fact that behind that company is a real business. Ultimately the value of a business/stock lies in its ability to generate profits.
Lesson: Just because Equity stock was split into 10 doesn't mean the price will go down. Watch it as foreign investors come back to the market.
Douvante
#4 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 8:31:00 AM
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So Jammo does it mean that you cannot trade your shares until mid May? You cannot sell the total 10000?

Everything happens for a reason.
jammo
#5 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 8:39:00 AM
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No Douvante...u can only sell what u have in ur cds account...1000 u had pre split. @ufanisi.... Yeah. You are right. Happy investing. However technically speaking...supply and demand. Foreign investors is a very very very variable factor.. But then as mainat points out elsewhere...ni pesa zako.

The race is not always to the swift..nor the battle always to the strong..nor food always to the wise..nor riches always to the intelligent..favor is not always to the skilled..or learned..but time and chance happens to all. Ecl9:5..
yekeyeke
#6 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 10:35:00 AM
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So then can someone educate me on this one. What shares are beig sold today for 15 bob under the Equity counter? Are these the old shares (before split) or the new shares (after split)? They should be the afyter split. If so,how are people able to sell these shares before they are credited in the CDS accounts?You can only sell what you have. and if you are selling the splits shares it means they are in the CDS already. Or are they working on the principla of T + 3 ? Then if that is the case,then all what this is is a smoke sceeen. meaning that if you already have shares presplit in your CDS,then you can go ahead and sell them as post split. Thus the crediting of the split shares in the CDS will simply be an academic exercise.


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Hezz
#7 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 1:32:00 PM
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I think the shares traded today are those you had before the split! If you had 1000 shares, a further 9000 shares will be credited to your account in may. The 1000 shares you had can still be traded. It is the 9000 that cannot be traded as they are not in your account yet! jammo correct me if I'm wrong!

What will be the effect of the new 3.3 billion shares? The market is already suppressed by safcom shares. Will these new ones further suppress it or, as this is a blue chip (isn't safcom?) they will be wiped out?


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mukiha
#8 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 2:22:00 PM
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@jammo; you have missed one small point. The 'new' shares are not exactly new! It is the same old shares that have been split into smaller units...they do not represent any new capital in the company.

For that reason,if one had 1,000 shares and had not seen any reason to sell,say 900 of them at sh120,he will still see no reason to sell 9,000 (post split) at 12bob. Thus we might not get the 'flood'.

Right now,the price is being driven by the fact that purchase orders are pegged on a shilling amount....e.g.,if I had placed an order for 500 @ sh120,I should have given my broker sh60k

Post split book closure,my order is still valid,but this time,the cash amount can take up 5,000 shares....and I'm not the only one with a buy order.

On the other hand,If you had placed an order to sell 500 @ sh120,suddenly the 500 effectively became 50 at sh120....or 500 at 12....because the par value of the share was divided by a factor of 10.

As jammo had mentioned in another thread,this is not the time to buy EQTY simply because the market is distorted. Wait until the split shares are loaded into CDSC accounts...the price will stabilise and then you can decide to make your move.

My guess is that the price will cool off at arround 12 to 14 bob...slight higher than the pre-split level. My reasoning is that now many people will find them affordable...sh10k will get you a decent 700shares....
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BAAK
#9 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 2:52:00 PM
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I always smell a huge RAT whenever someone stresses categorically at here at SK… ‘DO NOT buy such and such a counter now because of blah..blah..blah’ or you should BUY such and such a counter NOW because of blah..blah…..NOOOOOOO!

Am convinced…. by telling you to SELL… Some wish to drive down the price… … so they BUY…or if they advise you to buy …they WANT the price to go up…so that they sell…Coz at SK we have people from all walks of life … and some are fund managers controlling zillions…Be very very careful my friends….Always make your own buy / sell decisions ..OTHERWISE YOU MAY BE TAKING YOURSELF TO THE SLAUGHTER HOUSE!!

Or why should someone advise me categorically to buy or to sell…..when I had not even asked?
mukiha
#10 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 3:13:00 PM
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@BAAK...I thought we are sharing views in this forum. I think it is not time to buy EQTY and I give my reasoning......you think it is time to buy and you give your reasons. I weigh your point of view against mine and make a decision...you weigh yours against mine and make your decision....

Those decisions will be better informed,won't they?
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
BAAK
#11 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 4:06:00 PM
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Mukiha,

Have no problem with anyone's views..only issue is when someone 'orders' me to buy.. or sell.. when i had not even asked...on other hand you are really mistaken on EB....fOR STARTERS... NOBODY IS GOING TO FLOOD THE MARKET...virtually all the EB SHAREHOLDERS know where it is headed...and if they sell what is the alternative?...

But expect huge demand...everyone BIG or SMALL will now be seeking to have EB in their portfolio since it is affordable...but the real massacre will come when they cross list in USE...FOR NOW..wouldn't be surprised if it hits 20 -30 in a few weeks...mainly due to demand and scarcity
mukiha
#12 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 4:20:00 PM
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BAAK:

We agree on prevailing condition - it is distorted. High demand,short supply due to the fact that post-split shares are not in the CDSC yet. Read my post again and you see that I wrote 'Thus we might not get the 'flood'.'

We also agree on what will happen after the shares are credited to CDSC. I wrote that '...now many people will find them affordable...sh10k will get you a decent 700shares....'

Where will the price settle at? I guess 12 to 14...but the accuracy of my guess is as good as yours!
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virji1988
#13 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 4:42:00 PM
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so for example if i have 100 shares,,will get 300sh or 3000sh dividendS???
mukiha
#14 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2009 4:57:00 PM
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Dividends will be paid on the shares you had BEFORE the split
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
ogutuwalwanga
#15 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:56:00 AM
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@ BAAK

i absolutely agree with your sentiments of the know it all in the SK fraternity when to buy or sale.If you read most of the past analysis and the current senario you find that 98% of them are fake.Especially EB people tend to know too much about this counter


ogutu
skatotsi
#16 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:06:00 AM
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@BAAK

You are such a paranoyd freak! Why on earth do you take an advise as an order on SK? As you correctly said,we have people from all corners of life an of the world in here,why not just be calm,listen and comment! If you can't then I advise you to take Prozac,( I have not ordered it!)

@Mukiha

We always appreciate your comments,don't stop it because of some freak. I had asked you on another thread ( KENYA AIRWAYS ) for some valuable advise from you and I noticed you didn't comment on the thread of Ecstacy ( accesskenya....). Please do so,I don't know why but we respect your views.

It's not an order though!!


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mv ufanisi
#17 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:57:00 AM
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Consider the following

- by the end of April we will know the 1st quarter results of 2009
- Equity's success in Uganda
- most people are unwilling to sell if the price is going up
- the economic prospects will be clearer by the end of May

Crediting of split shares in CDCS accounts will happen towards the end of May. A lot could have happened before then.

My feeling: Sell at your own peril.
BAAK
#18 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:43:00 PM
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All!

It seems virji's question has been hijacked and no one answered it as he/ she expected..Whether people will dispose EB to purchase other counters...

In my humble opinion...this may not happen..but instead it may happen the other way round...small investors in other counters disposing to BUY EB now that it is affordable...

Also consider this..with the discounted price...Demand for EB has risen 10 fold ...or even say 3 fold by conservative estimates...but the number of people willing to sell?....well this will not rise 3 fold...may even decrease....as the expansion gains momentum...

So if u are a speculator... ask yrself..would you rather buy now @ 15/- and sell @ 25-30/- in May,or would uh sit on the fence and buy @ 25-30/- in May...If a long term investor...why would you even wait?...But that's just me...NEXT THREAD!
solloh
#19 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 6:56:00 AM
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It seems that no one is willing to sell their equity shares. only 3700 shares traded at this point in time (with huge demand) and all of them traded at limit up.All the other stocks trading below 20 shillings apart from kcb and Msc are showing significant supply.
Could we be seeing a liquidation of the other low priced stocks in favour of equity?

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