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Konza city Reality.
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#111 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:11:11 PM
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@ Laughing out loudly..GoK has already bought the land. My issue was with Budget. After seeing that they are well funded by the exchequer[USD 120 million], they can then remain with a considerable amount of money to support ICT related infrastructure. In a country where money is not abundant, its important to invest in the most efficient way possible.
The incentive for firms to move there is when universities build their ICT campuses to provide the much needed human capital.
Ideally, Govt through ministry of roads[roads,, ministry of local govt [street light,sewer] should provide infrastructure.
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#112 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:20:52 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:


There is no need for compulsory acquisition act in Konza since there are no existing buildings-its a vast grassland.

What would make existing land owners want to sell the land soon instead of doing it how most of us would do it-wait for investors to come and then sell it to them at 5-6 times the price I would sell today?

This approach would definitely slow down the project!


In a free market, there is always someone wanting to sell their land for a particular reason-fees,hospital bill e.t.c
In a controlled market, the demand-supply relationship is skewed .
As we speak, 3 different land owners in Konza area, each with over 10,000 acres have approached me for sourcing for Joint Venture/buyer of part of their land. In their 10,000 acres land, the price has remained the same over the last 1 year as compared to land around Konza epicentre. This is because the forces of a free market demand-supply are in play.
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#113 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:25:09 PM
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I have read here on the ICT Board rationale for buying the land

http://www.kictanet.or.ke/?p=6295

Dr Ndemo has also explained why he needed Worldbank/IFC and foreign architects/planners for the technical support.

''We simply have a weaknesses at managing our resources especially large projects.''
http://www.kictanet.or.ke/?p=6295
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alma
#114 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:44:37 PM
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Thanks a4architect for giving us those links. I find them extremely interesting to say the least.

Here is a gov't official in public pointing out that there are major problems with the current institutional frameworks in Kenya. So is the solution to go create a new city? Or is it to deal with the institutional failures that I'm 100% sure are going to follow to Konza.

I'm finding it scary to imagine that this project seems to come out from one official in gov't. Now that he's accepted in public that Konza is a political hot potato (he's been promised heaven), what happens to the project when they inevitably remove him if he continues fighting for it as he is.

I find myself looking at Ndemo and supporting him 100% in his Konza vision. Actually I think the only way for his vision to work is if he ran and I will support such a leader 100%.

But I have seen how Kenyans work. So forgive me if I don't hold my breathe as one guy said in the post, as Konza follows in the ways of Buruburu. Now more than ever I see it as a real estate project dressed up in ICT by those pretending that Kenya is a major factor in ICT Development.

I'm now waiting for Anyang Nyongo to set up a Health City somewhere in Bondo with taxpayers money as Kenyans have the best doctors in the world. Then Njeru Githae setting up an Accountants and lawyers metropolis somewhere in Meru.
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#115 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:11:49 PM
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Looking at todays advert in The Standard Metropolitan Ps is decrying the little interest exhibited by local investors in the project.

60% of the initial 500 acres has attracted foreign firms and individuals.

The government is yet to establish an authority that will be in charge of the Tech city.The authority will manage konza including issuing land leases to investors.

With a funding Gap of $44billion the government want to use public private partnership(ppp) to bridge that infrastructural gap.

The state has mooted plans to transform EPZs into special economic zones in the technopolis in a bill yet to be presented in parliament.

The proposed incentives include ten year corporate tax holiday,withholding tax holiday,excise duty and VAT exemption and repatriation of profits.

The city requires Sh.2trillion in the next 20yrs to complete the city the government has pieced together SH.800Million for the project.

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#116 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:13:00 PM
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@ Alma..welcome.

Such debates between Govt and tis citizens should be encouraged so as we can all be enlightened and exchange ideas on how best we can realize such great concepts such as Konza city.

Am in the business of creating real estate 'hype' for the benefit of land owners who gain when land value increases. e.g this

http://www.a4architect.c...signed-to-become-green/




When i see the same 'hype' created on land that Govt has bought with tax payers money[mine and yours], i can easily see a 100 % perfect real estate project of which i can learn new real estate marketing ideas from.

Ministries should stick to their main core business and learn to cooperate. E.g Ministry of Lands/Housing/Local Govt/Nairobi Metropolitan can easily handle land matters since they have surveyors, planners, land planning & allocation systems e.t.c

These can assist Ministry of Information in matters concerning land to ensure harmony.

This will prevent situations that @alma has stated above where Ministry of Health will seek to execute a Health city in Bondo and Ministry of Finance a Finance/Lawyer city in Meru.

Kenyans should also encourage debate amongst themselves and Govt. Ministries which work collectively on behalf for the Kenyan tax payers so that these ministries can use the debates so as to always strive to utilize tax payers money efficiently as per Kenyan Law and within their jurisdictions.

Over-reliance on World bank /IFC consultancies/International Architects/Planners on the Konza City should be discouraged.


All is not lost though for an ICT city in Konza. If Dr Ndemo listens to the ideas given here pro bono by Wazuans, the concept can develop into an ICT city easily.

I hope Architectural Association of Kenya will also come into this and 'liberate' Kenyans from the mentality that only some overseas architects and planners can come up with marvelous concepts.AAK needs to prove to the ICT board that their members can also plan a city.

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#117 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:24:04 PM
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@selah.. thanks for your informative post.

Anyone here who can clarify if all the 800m input by the Govt will not go to land purchase?

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selah
#118 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:59:49 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@selah.. thanks for your informative post.

Anyone here who can clarify if all the 800m input by the Govt will not go to land purchase?



The advert just shows how this project is not well thought out.

For instance,the Govt estimates the cost of putting up Konza city to be Sh.2Trillion in the next 20yrs, this means, if am not mistaken,for the city to be complete it needs at least Sh.100Billion each year.

The govt has allocated Sh.800Million so we need investors to fork Sh.99.2B this year alone for the project to be on course....is this realistically feasible.


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#119 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:15:29 PM
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..if the Govt can support the crucial ICT parts e.g ICT -related infrastructure as priority, then the City can be realized.

If the Govt prioritizes land purchase and paying international architects/planners first, then there will be too much over reliance on investors.
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mkeiy
#120 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:48:59 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
..if the Govt can support the crucial ICT parts e.g ICT -related infrastructure as priority, then the City can be realized.

If the Govt prioritizes land purchase and paying international architects/planners first, then there will be too much over reliance on investors.


What you say dude? You were complaining of gov't investing, now you are not happy with OVER RELIANCE on investors. You seem to be shifting goals posts.

On zoning,gov't can only mold what it controls. Setting by-laws of how to sub-divide and all, what IF the owners don't want to subdivide? It's only prudent to acquire the land first, then mold it to the desired plan. It is happening now coz the gov't has control over the land.

On infrastructure, South Korea is the most wired country in the world,their internet speeds beat the rest of the world hands down. Even the remotest of ma-ul [village] has high-speed internet connection. If its only internet, then S.Koreans should be the masters of start-ups,[since on this forum, ICT has been taken to be START-UPS only].

Silicon valley happens to do what it does today coz of the environment. An idea is easily funded. Think of facebook coming from a place like Thika, how far would it have gone? Konza city is convergence of the missing elements in the rest of the country,currently. Just coz every school has a football pitch, doesn't mean we have Messis everywhere in Kenya. But if we had a center for football,with all the footballing minds,the skills we have around would be horned to more refined talent. The ICT talents will be horned in Konza,if need be.

With Konza,most of the missing ICT elements will be brought next door. LINKAGE!

Nothing can be done in a vacuum [investing-wise], buildings are part of the equation. If you need school, you build the physical structures first, a church, the same, a prison , the same.

You have also argued that with Konza city or not, a city would have developed over time, along Mombasa road. A city like KITENGELA? MLOLONGO? That's the kind of cities you are talking about? Microsoft with its East and Central Africa offices in MLOLONGO? I give it to you.
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