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Konza city Reality.
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#81 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 4:13:58 PM
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The konza idea is just brilliant if you ask me with more and more multinationals making Nairobi their hub for Africa then we need to up our game as far as telecommunication and IT infrastructure is concerned !
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#82 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 4:19:54 PM
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alma wrote:
poundfoolish, I agree with you entirely!

And that's the point.

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1. Slow internet speeds. (pls don't even think 3G is anywhere to fast and reliable with what we do)
2. KPLC
3. Lack of trained employees

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Slow down on the international conferences they are always going to and sponsor 5 students a year to IT colleges out there coz our current breed of lecturers can't teach IT to their own children

That 600 million spent on land would have gone further if offered to schools so that our kids don't have to go to a college after form 4 to learn excel and word. those with businesses here will attest to the fact that even university graduates have no idea how to work with a word document. Tell them to use excell and you have to call a press conference.

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But an educated populace will be able to deal with the challenges. Right now, all anyone can tell me is that the ICT board supports Ihub.

Some no more than 500 Kenyans. How are 500 Kenyans going to stay ahead when where I was living in Cambridge, every shopkeeper was IT savvy? My neighbour's kids were being hired by gaming companies to come up with computer programs.

....

I wish you could send this to some of those officials who are globe trotting.

Meanwhhile we keep saying, look here guys you need to invest in educating your people and everything else will fall in place.

The technology productivity per capita of cambridge is uncompairable. I know it from experience -some influencial global software companies have been born there.
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#83 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 4:52:52 PM
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It was important that the government had a large piece of land dedicated to creation of a sensible well planned technology city. Speculation on land prices (and extraordinarily small landholdings)is the bane of many third world countries that are trying to attract FDI.
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#84 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 5:12:25 PM
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Magigi wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/Fresh+zoning+at+Konza+park+dims+land+deals+/-/539550/1330944/-/42shog/-/index.html
Investors who had hoped to cash in on the proximity to Kenya’s first ICT Park in Konza to make capital gains will be disappointed as the government moved to bar human settlement within two kilometres of the park.

What will happen to those who had already acquired land within the 10km radius?



Govt will compensate. It always does even in places where barabara pitias, etc
eboomerang
#85 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 5:24:38 PM
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accelriskconsult wrote:
It was important that the government had a large piece of land dedicated to creation of a sensible well planned technology city. Speculation on land prices (and extraordinarily small landholdings)is the bane of many third world countries that are trying to attract FDI.

No company really convenes its board to discuss about land acquisition when considering FDI UNLESS land is a major factor of production in the company's line of business e.g those in the mining industry or agricultural produce business.

Discussing land matters with regard to technology companies, I think you have the wrong agenda item on the table.

Do you recall Bob Collimore mentioning that "they are not in the real estate business". A comment he made when it was alleged that Safaricom House was on a road reserve. Whether the house was to be demolished or not, that was not a long term threat to the business, as long as there is proper planning and notice when they should move.
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#86 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 7:08:28 PM
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@alma @bomerang, wise words sober reflections, high cost of electricity, low internet speeds are a big hindrance to ict development. three yrs after the landing of fibre cables(3). we dont have broadband in our homes and those that have its expensive. if we waited for 3 yrs to get domestic broadband, how long will the business broadband take?
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#87 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 7:53:57 PM
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@ Alma, eboomerang.. @ Judge Hall or? Short answer will suffice? ahsante?

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#88 Posted : Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:12:53 AM
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accelriskconsult wrote:
It was important that the government had a large piece of land dedicated to creation of a sensible well planned technology city. Speculation on land prices (and extraordinarily small landholdings)is the bane of many third world countries that are trying to attract FDI.


In most cases, speculation on land prices happen when Govt does not increase infrastructure development in tandem with demand for land e.g roads, water. This pushes demand very high for the scarce land that has infrastructure and good Govt. policy in terms of planning and zoning regulations e.g Runda, Karen,Muthaiga e.t.c
Govt through County council bye laws can regulate land size e.g in Karen,Runda, Muthaiga minimum land size is 0.5 acres. They dont need to buy the land 1st to ensure this.
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#89 Posted : Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:05:58 AM
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http://www.paulgraham.com/siliconvalley.html

About Paul Graham,PhD,Comp Science,Harvard

http://www.paulgraham.com/bio.html
Not Buildings

If you go to see Silicon Valley, what you'll see are buildings. But it's the people that make it Silicon Valley, not the buildings. I read occasionally about attempts to set up "technology parks" in other places, as if the active ingredient of Silicon Valley were the office space. An article about Sophia Antipolis bragged that companies there included Cisco, Compaq, IBM, NCR, and Nortel. Don't the French realize these aren't startups?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_Antipolis

Building office buildings for technology companies won't get you a silicon valley, because the key stage in the life of a startup happens before they want that kind of space. The key stage is when they're three guys operating out of an apartment. Wherever the startup is when it gets funded, it will stay. The defining quality of Silicon Valley is not that Intel or Apple or Google have offices there, but that they were started there.

So if you want to reproduce Silicon Valley, what you need to reproduce is those two or three founders sitting around a kitchen table deciding to start a company. And to reproduce that you need those people.
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murchr
#90 Posted : Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:50:17 PM
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Following the comments given here i think there is a general misconception that the govt will be the one putting up buildings for these companies....my view is NO. The govts objective is to acquire the land, zone it as an IT park (like the way they did to Industrial area) and provide basic utilities such as water, electricity, and the fibre optic cable. Now, its up to orgs to establish themselves in this hub, that is why companies such as google, HP, GE etc are in Kenya to take advantage of this.

For those who are deceived to think that Kenya doesnt have the required Man power...follow this link http://nairobi.startupweekend.org/ My opinion is....Kenya is a giant when it comes to IT thats why startups like Seven Seas are a regional force. This will also provide a good read http://en.wikipedia.org/...Silicon_Valley_of_India
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#91 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 7:06:59 AM
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@murchr..the issue is why the Govt is using tax payers money close to KES 800m to acquire the 5000 acre land. This money should go into providing basic utilities such as fibre optic cable,electricity e.t.c
The project can still be realized without Govt buying the land-all govt needs to do is zone the area as a city.

In the Indian Silicon valley, they bought only 335 acres of land
http://en.wikipedia.org/...Silicon_Valley_of_India
'History

The Electronics City was the brainchild of R K Baliga. He was the first Chairman and Managing Director of Karnataka State Electronics Development Corporation (in 1976 the government agency was created to expand the electronics industry in the state of Karnataka). Baliga proposed the concept of developing the electronic city in the 1970s. The agency purchased 335 acres (1.36 km2) of land 18 km south of Bangalore for its Electronics City project, which was meant to establish an industrial park in Bangalore. '
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#92 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 7:44:36 AM
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I think kenya needs to start from somewhere. Yes we might not have everything same way as in silicon valley or Bangalore or any other in the world.

Majority have talked about lack of human resource in kenya and that we will have to import the expertise. There is talent in kenya though not as refined as that from stanford, harvard or MIT but there are young kenyans taking the initiative to innovate as much as they know how to we don't need another ipad or ianything we have enough problems to stir up the innovative minds. The minds don't work alone they need support from investors to notice there is something new worth funding now if Konza will in any way give provide this then let it be.

Finally can we give ideas on how the konza can be done better instead of criticizing without giving any meaningful ideas.

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#93 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 7:57:51 AM
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@ jamplu..all Govt needs to do is to utilise the close to KES 1B [KES 200K per acre x 5000acres]it will use to acquire the Konza land to improve ICT infrastructure and/or support ICT Based university.
Kenya already has the talent within it. All the talent needs is support in terms of ICT Infrastructure.
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Wendz
#94 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 10:26:50 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@murchr..the issue is why the Govt is using tax payers money close to KES 800m to acquire the 5000 acre land. This money should go into providing basic utilities such as fibre optic cable,electricity e.t.c
The project can still be realized without Govt buying the land-all govt needs to do is zone the area as a city.

In the Indian Silicon valley, they bought only 335 acres of land
http://en.wikipedia.org/...Silicon_Valley_of_India
'History

The Electronics City was the brainchild of R K Baliga. He was the first Chairman and Managing Director of Karnataka State Electronics Development Corporation (in 1976 the government agency was created to expand the electronics industry in the state of Karnataka). Baliga proposed the concept of developing the electronic city in the 1970s. The agency purchased 335 acres (1.36 km2) of land 18 km south of Bangalore for its Electronics City project, which was meant to establish an industrial park in Bangalore. '


But fact remains they acquired some property to ensure that there was concentration hence the ease in provision of services.... why didn't they provide the services to the whole of the Karnataka state? its because it is not possible! Granted the government of Kenya has bought more land, but do we have to buy 300 acres because others did so? why not include other facilities like tourism (hotels) which is part of our major earner while at it? People, give this thing a trial! we cant always be throwing cold water on any efforts of the government..... am sure most of the nay sayers here will be running to invest when the whole thing kicks off and they will be the first to give praises of the project.... typical kenyans!
jamplu
#95 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 11:44:14 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@ jamplu..all Govt needs to do is to utilise the close to KES 1B [KES 200K per acre x 5000acres]it will use to acquire the Konza land to improve ICT infrastructure and/or support ICT Based university.
Kenya already has the talent within it. All the talent needs is support in terms of ICT Infrastructure.


When the last mile is fully functional then i don't think we will have major issues with internet which i think the majority are calling the infrastructure it will be up to safaricom and the rest of the partners to ensure that the bandwidth is available to all as required.
Regarding ICT infrastructure in universities what kind of infrastructure are we talking about because i don't think you need more than a computer/ a laptop and your own initiative to come up with something or learn the skills. In my college days we bought ourselves clones with our HELB money established networks in our Hostels we didn't need optical fiber for that we taught ourselves the IT skills on networking and software development yes we didn't invent facebook or twitter but whatever we learned then has enabled us get where we are, help others and also contribute to the society.
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#96 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 12:20:57 PM
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While Kenyans can be said to be fast learners, other countries in the region are catching up faster.

Rwanda has been on this "ICT" path before, infact Kenya has copied from Rwanda the idea of a Vision2030. Rwanda pursues a Vision2020 initiative developed in early 2000s.

For the ICT industry, they started with development of infrastucture and they later on realized that people were not using the infrastracture as expected. This does not mean it was wrong to invest in the infrastructure. The issue is that it has taken them longer to realize the dream than was expected.

Now they have embarked on yet another phase of their ICT dream and now it's all about skill development. From having "one laptop per child" programme to pushing ICT education in all primary and secondary schools with an aim to have nation wide coverage. All things constant, this move will pay off in a few years to come.

If Kenya invested more in skills development, our options would be endless. We would accelerate the pace of development in this industry to our own regional advantage.

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Worldbank blog
Rwanda ICT
selah
#97 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 1:16:37 PM
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Taking EPZ as an example why is it struggling to compete internationally...If AGOA was to be scrapped today will the EPZ stay afloat.

When we say Konza will be a technology city obviously it will not only be a BPO and software hub but also a manufacturing hub are we able to host IBM,NOKIA,GE and other major technological companies with our derelict transport infrastructure.

KPA currently is unable to cope with the existing demand, Lamu Port and its connecting infrastructure might take several years to complete...RVR, well, I dont know when they are going to break ground on a new railway line.The expansion of JKIA has been put on hold due to lack of Funds.

When you look at the challenges ahead Konza city is a brilliant Idea but in Realistic terms will it rival the Asian tigers.

I read somewhere that Ihub has more than 3,000 developers who frequent the facility,we have several startups which are making a name for themselves globally i.e craft silicon,seven seas and other startups that are yet to go mainstream.

Why cant the Govt zone Konza and give incentives like tax breaks for any company that set up operation in that zone then let it grow from there.

The Hype the govt is giving this project will only make it uncompetitive due to speculators who will push the property prices in the area unrealistically high....making it another Nairobi.





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#98 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 4:34:47 PM
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ICT Board Budget

USD 120 Million
http://www.cloudcomputin...eo-kenya-ict-board.html
KES 1B
http://www.ictworks.org/taxonomy/term/689

http://allafrica.com/stories/201201250032.html

I now see why the ICT Board can afford to buy 5000 acres at KES 1 Billion. The exchequer has funded them adequately.
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murchr
#99 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 9:45:24 PM
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@a4architect.com The land has already been bought by the govt from malili, a group of ranchers who previously owned the land. All that land near athi-river all the way to salama was previously owned by some sort of saccos. Note its important that the govt controls and plans the city otherwise we will have flats in the middle of the city. The govt has already participated in bringing in the fiber cable to the country. Note that at Konza there shall be universities that will supply the human resource needed. UON and Strathmore is among them.
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#100 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:36:29 AM
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