@impunity..i'm also very baffled baffled.so Naks-Nbi is now 15mins?

As much as we agree to disagree or agree to agree i think we have to eventually look at three things


Shelf Life:
As a people we seem not to give shelf life any thought. When we personally build even our own homes, we build expecting homes to last forever forgetting that development and technology is an on going process and what looks and feels lovely today will be outdated tomorrow. 40 years ago a one storey building in Nairobi was maendeleo. Today that building should have been replaced yesterday with something that maximizies both down 3/4 storey parking garage and up 10/15 storey office space.

Sustainability:
Whatever mass projects are undertaken by the government there seems not to be a a plan on how the project should/will sustain itself. Hence just as the slums of Kibera, no matter how much resources you pump into that slum it will never sustain itself. In a nutshell the Kenyan govt resembles Kibera slum loans, loans, loans. Eventually something has to give. As a people we become enslaved to the giver.

Beyond 2012
Today there is only one government after 2012 and beyond there will be 1 plus 47 other governements. 10yrs from now whichever town will have the privilege of been the capital city of the county, the town will have the same issues we are facing in Nairobi.

Taking into account there was no development to show for 10 yrs ago v/s today, agreeing to disagree or agreeing to agree as a people, we miss the point.

Today the road ni maendelo tomorrow it might be outdated, what remains to be seen is whether we will allow development and techonology pass us by come tomorrow.

[quote=mkonomtupu]Have a look at Nairobi in 1960-1962 on the link below and you realize we got independence too early it was properly planned, double-decker buses, a bus station where kencom now stands, Amazing stuff

http://www.mccrow.org.uk...tafrica/Kenya/Kenya.htm[/quote]

Interesting photos of Nairobi of the 60s. Looks very organised. Seems the city has deteriorated with time.

Am amazed by this photo .....that people were actually sailing in the Nairobi dam (next to Kibera) at one time.

@Mukiha I concur- I recall writing about the Langata Road expansion back in the day and while researching the likely outcome, stumbled across the Braess Paradox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braess's_paradox - which really makes sense when you see what is happening on Langata Road today - both at Nyayo Stadium and also up at Bomas. Someone compared it to buying bigger trousers to cure obesity...SMH. Anyway, just to relate another example - having been to Lagos many times, they too have super highways but traffic is ALWAYS INVARIABLY crawling (excuse the the tautology but trying to emphasise). They have an 8 lane bridge thats abt 25km long - that was built in the 80s. The kind of road networks we seek from Museum, Pangani, etc and thika road - they have had such for a long time and probably 100 times more complex...but traffic still crawls. Essentially grid locks build up much faster than before. I think the other major problem is people's general driving IQ, attitude (i.e. must drive, must own a car) and lack of courtesy - I;d say that is about 70% of our problem.

+1 Lagos is a mess and the traffic jams there dwarf ours in KE.

Again more people walk or use traffic transport than drive, yet focus when it comes to transport is always on how big/long our roads are.

Surprise, surprise, now the private sector in Kenya is calling on the government to take-up some austerity measures such as introducing salary freezes for two years, reason for that...to allow government to generate money and put inflation under control.

Well, well, this is what happens when you spend more than you can generate.

Did I hear it right that a few weeks ago another bypass was concessioned for 17B?

A quick calculation shows speeds above 150 km/h hence the name jaggernaut

Less than 20 MINS means your average speed is more than 126KPH. VROOMM!

[quote=mkonomtupu]Have a look at Nairobi in 1960-1962 on the link below and you realize we got independence too early it was properly planned, double-decker buses, a bus station where kencom now stands, Amazing stuff

http://www.mccrow.org.uk...tafrica/Kenya/Kenya.htm[/quote]

The was a big debate whether they should have built flyovers along Uhuru highway where we have the roundabouts coming to town in 1960!!!. Read this in the papers recently. (50 yrs ago or something column). What a difference it would have made today. They were good planners and they knew what was to be done. Thika road expansion and the bypasses were planned in the early 70's. That is why government compulsorily acquired land for this roads in the 70's.

If they mark the roads well + do proper lighting + have the matatus stop blocking most of the road at some points. It will be quite possible to get to blue post in < 30 minutes from Muthaiga while driving under the speed limit.