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The truth about 14 seater Matatu phase out
jaggernaut
#31 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:51:56 PM
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Dash wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
And talking about buses, how come our companies cannot design modern and comfortable buses like those in developed countries?



Manze these roads of ours (eastleigh for example) the nice looking bus up there will break into pieces. But its a good idea because some of these buses we have in terms of comfort..Pray




That's just a perception. That's what they used to say about used cars imported from Japan....that would not cope with Kenyan roads. Right now all the major roads are very smooth i.e. Mombasa rd, Thika, Langata, Ngong, Westlands etc. So breaking into pieces is not an issue if the Vitz, Probox, premios are still going strong on our roads.
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#32 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:04:50 PM
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murenj wrote:
Amos the root has finaly confessed: the phase out has nothing to do with traffic jams, but to keep the local motor vehicle manufactures in business. The guy seems not to appreciate that mama mboga is indirectly employed by the matatu sector: with technocrats like these, who needs vision 2030?


I fully support the phase out. Should have happened a long time ago.
The 14 sitters don't even make economic sense. The bigger vehicle will be easier to regulate and inspect for safety. and it's good for traffic as they can't pita katikati as easily. On that note they need tophase out mkokoteni and replace them with tuktuks or some Indian/Chinese pick-ups. I can't stand watching 5 grown men pushing that thing for 200 bob.

Please also note that those mama mbogas we love talking about don't suffer as much as you think. They are excellent sales people plus they pass the entire cost down to you. Try getting her a 'better job' like tea lady or cleaner and she'll laugh at you.

BBI will solve it
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Dash
#33 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:09:59 PM
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2012 wrote:
murenj wrote:
Amos the root has finaly confessed: the phase out has nothing to do with traffic jams, but to keep the local motor vehicle manufactures in business. The guy seems not to appreciate that mama mboga is indirectly employed by the matatu sector: with technocrats like these, who needs vision 2030?


I fully support the phase out. Should have happened a long time ago.
The 14 sitters don't even make economic sense. The bigger vehicle will be easier to regulate and inspect for safety. and it's good for traffic as they can't pita katikati as easily. On that note they need tophase out mkokoteni and replace them with tuktuks or some Indian/Chinese pick-ups. I can't stand watching 5 grown men pushing that thing for 200 bob.

Please also note that those mama mbogas we love talking about don't suffer as much as you think. They are excellent sales people plus they pass the entire cost down to you. Try getting her a 'better job' like tea lady or cleaner and she'll laugh at you.


Agreed. Many actually fare on very well. Its just that they maintain that mama mboga look. Its a booming business.
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#34 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:19:12 PM
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2012 wrote:
On that note they need tophase out mkokoteni and replace them with tuktuks or some Indian/Chinese pick-ups. I can't stand watching 5 grown men pushing that thing for 200 bob.

Some of these mkoko guys are well moneyed too. I know one who graduated inti mikoko hire and will now make some graduates envious of his daily collections.

But Yes, mikokoteni for specified streets only.
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#35 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:23:46 PM

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This whole debate on public transport is as old as modern civilization itself. I think a lot of factor determine what approach works for different countries, from culture to infrastructure to legistlation. Cultutre is a strong influence; We all want to drive our cars.Few of us would even consider car pooling even when it makes perfect sense.

I remember the 80's fondly for the Kenya Bus Service that was so reliable. The buses had specific routes and scheduled departure and arrivals times that would be strictly adhered to regardless of whether the bus was full or not. Its sad that the model failed (i don't know why).

chiaroscuro
#36 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:44:47 PM
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mmarto wrote:
the simplest way is to hike those parking fees. charge by the hr and nobody will bring those junks to town. The reason people commute in big cities is the high cost of parking and the tolls charged to enter the city.


Commuting in such cities is easy and possible because there is a working transport system. Do we have any here? We should not attempt to copy what works elsewhere without considering all the factors.




SO what solution are you suggesting?

What exactly do you mean by "working transport system"?

How do we put one in place?
chiaroscuro
#37 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:58:09 PM
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I will always remember the scene I witnessed one evening a few years ago at the Ambassadeur and route 58 (Accra rd) bus stops. This was during the days of the KBS Metro Shuttle.


At Accra road, there was a long queue of Matatus running all the way back to River Road. Very few passengers and the matatus were charging Sh20 to Buruburu.

At Ambassadeur, there was a long queue of passengers running all the way round the building - down to Ronald Ngala Street and up Tom Mboya st. They were waiting for the Metro Shuttle which was charging Sh40.

Now what does that tell you?

All it takes is a serious businessperson to focus on passenger safety and comfort ahead of profit and the whole transport system will change.
Nobby
#38 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:11:28 PM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
I will always remember the scene I witnessed one evening a few years ago at the Ambassadeur and route 58 (Accra rd) bus stops. This was during the days of the KBS Metro Shuttle.


At Accra road, there was a long queue of Matatus running all the way back to River Road. Very few passengers and the matatus were charging Sh20 to Buruburu.

At Ambassadeur, there was a long queue of passengers running all the way round the building - down to Ronald Ngala Street and up Tom Mboya st. They were waiting for the Metro Shuttle which was charging Sh40.

Now what does that tell you?

All it takes is a serious businessperson to focus on passenger safety and comfort ahead of profit and the whole transport system will change.



For this planned phase-out of the 14 seaters to fully succeed, the government must be involved by offering an alternative transport system. The most appropriate thing to do would be to set up a subsidized transport company that will compete directly with the matatus or partner with the other players to offer a new solution.
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murenj
#39 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:40:20 PM
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Nobby wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
I will always remember the scene I witnessed one evening a few years ago at the Ambassadeur and route 58 (Accra rd) bus stops. This was during the days of the KBS Metro Shuttle.


At Accra road, there was a long queue of Matatus running all the way back to River Road. Very few passengers and the matatus were charging Sh20 to Buruburu.

At Ambassadeur, there was a long queue of passengers running all the way round the building - down to Ronald Ngala Street and up Tom Mboya st. They were waiting for the Metro Shuttle which was charging Sh40.

Now what does that tell you?

All it takes is a serious businessperson to focus on passenger safety and comfort ahead of profit and the whole transport system will change.



For this planned phase-out of the 14 seaters to fully succeed, the government must be involved by offering an alternative transport system. The most appropriate thing to do would be to set up a subsidized transport company that will compete directly with the matatus or partner with the other players to offer a new solution.

someone tried the same on lavingtone route.........boses would not be caught dead riding in the bus. The mbochs foud the bus too expe.. And opted for ma3s
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#40 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:42:52 PM
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murenj wrote:
Nobby wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
I will always remember the scene I witnessed one evening a few years ago at the Ambassadeur and route 58 (Accra rd) bus stops. This was during the days of the KBS Metro Shuttle.


At Accra road, there was a long queue of Matatus running all the way back to River Road. Very few passengers and the matatus were charging Sh20 to Buruburu.

At Ambassadeur, there was a long queue of passengers running all the way round the building - down to Ronald Ngala Street and up Tom Mboya st. They were waiting for the Metro Shuttle which was charging Sh40.

Now what does that tell you?

All it takes is a serious businessperson to focus on passenger safety and comfort ahead of profit and the whole transport system will change.



For this planned phase-out of the 14 seaters to fully succeed, the government must be involved by offering an alternative transport system. The most appropriate thing to do would be to set up a subsidized transport company that will compete directly with the matatus or partner with the other players to offer a new solution.

someone tried the same on lavingtone route.........boses would not be caught dead riding in the bus. The mbochs foud the bus too expe.. And opted for ma3s


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