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Konza city Reality.
mkeiy
#51 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:50:21 PM
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Robinhood wrote:
The Americans said that Kenya is good at making plans - in reference to vision 2030 - and that we will never get anything done. I am glad that there are many pessimists here and they are entitled to their opinion, but nothing has ever come out of nothing. I am glad we can be having this kind of conversation which would have been impossible in the KANU years. I am glad we have a dream, which by the way does not mean there will be no challenges! But someone is ready to try something, and they have my support. They may fail, but at least they did not just sit in their carpeted offices and just grow fat!!!
Majority of the people here are doing exactly that,seeing the tip of their noses. Today's problems are tomorrow's opportunities. But to the pessimists,that means doom and gloom. In ten years, electricity won't be such an issue,internet costs would have come down significantly,with new constitution, rule of law,more ICT graduates both locally and abroad etc etc. Konza city is not going to up and running tomorrow. It will take years, between 4 & 7 yrs before it becomes fully operational. By then most of the current bottlenecks will be minimal.
Ric dees
#52 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:19:03 PM
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..Now where to start!! Innovation and invention has always been brought about by necessity. With this i will try and be as basic as i can.. The Tech city is a bandwagon that most countries in the 3rd world have embarked on, from Chile to Kenya, to Bangaladesh and every-one is looking for the next BIG idea, however the means to get there is what is soley lacking and this is my greatest concern. The best tech brains are in the west,soon KCSE results will be announced and the top girl/boy will say he/she wants to study comp-science and guess what MIT will gladly offer a scholarship and form another statistic...get my drift here.. I find it amazing the kind of ideas that come out of i-hub and my take is some-one been watching too much TV,whenever i go to shaggz, whichever shaggz i see old women carrying firewood/produce on their backs i wonder can't some IT/Engeneering guys come up with something to alleviate this, as long as this is going on then we have a problem and lets face it thats our ball-park forget fancy ideas/titles shipped from countries that have been flourishing in centuries. As long as i continue to queue for minutes on end in the most basic fast food joint in Nairobi for a bag of chips where i know this can be done in half the time i spend their queing by technology again we have a problem.. So lets cut to the chase, Tech cities are springing up the world over, what will attract ours over the rest, what do we have in abundance, what skill?? your answer lies in the future of Konza and beyond..lets not imagine please!! it's a real world out there. My point is it has to be solving a local solution brought about a local problem and JKUAT or some-other uni has to be involved in this extensivley..or are we going the way AL Maktoum said build it and they will come..well we got no petrol $$ last time i checked!!
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mkeiy
#53 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:44:13 PM
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eboomerang wrote:
Ric dees wrote:
I echo Konza will be and remain a real estate venture and nothing more. ....until we find local talent providing local solutions then we are doomed even before we start.
These among other comments by people here are in my view totally correct. In June 2011, I wrote similar sentiments in a blog article about this vision2030 thingy, below are some excerpts from the blog. "There are no short cuts when it comes to building long term growth paths. It has taken India many decades to be where they are today. India’s exported talent are among the largest contributors to the success story that is Silicon Valley." "Korea’s exponential industrialization and success in electronics manufacturing has been largely driven by capitalizing on development of human resources. As of 1997, the literacy rates in Korea were at 95%." "Surprise surprise, Korea is the world’s biggest supplier of DRAM –simply, computer memory." "One strategically selected industry is enough to propel a country’s growth into a global player. This requires proper understanding of the global markets and forces that affect value creation in any chosen industry." "In summary, there are no quick fixes to build a prosperous Kenya where we can all lead a “high quality life” by 2030. The government needs to define exactly what value Kenya can deliver to the global markets or the African continent in order to attain economic prosperity. After definition, go ahead and realign everything else in the country to support development and growth of the selected industries." The entire blog can be read from here: Link
The South Korea mentioned has not always been like that. To achieve levels of 98%,you got to have the means.South Korea has NOT always had the means, neither the literacy levels of 98%. To understand where they've come from, you need to go beyond 25years ago.To REALLY appreciate South Korea & where it has come from, go back to the years just after the Korean war,in the late 1950's. There came to power, a dictator. A people's dictator who made every South Korean work like a machine,not for themselves,but for the state. There was NO such human capital to write home about,but that DIDN'T stop them from starting factories. Companies like Samsung,Hyundai, Daewoo, Goldstar[now LG after merger] , got all the support from gov't. Gov't allocated them swathes of land to build factories, gave them loans cheaply,they didn't pay taxes. To save the gov't money,people were made to clean up their neighborhoods,make drainage. A working week was 6 days. They were forced to plant trees everywhere. Those days,there were not many learned people. Not every kid went to school. With the whole country disciplined, productivity improved,the companies thru' gov't support grew. Everybody put the country first. By late 1970s, South Korea was well on its feet. They could afford good life,most kids could go to school, their companies continued producing inferior products compared to Japan & the West. But life was better. Sad the era of the People's dictators is ending. In the 1980s & 90s, democracy takes root, but they are already way into the middle economy. Now the gov't can educate the children for free,the big companies have money to dedicate to R&D guys,everybody is happy. Come late 90s, South Korea has arrived to the world stage. Their products are world class. Early 2000s, they are rich enough to co-host the world. Late 2000s and their products are becoming barometers of quality worldwide. Nothing happens in a day. It starts from somewhere. The gov't role is SO significant in an economy like ours [just as it did in Korea's case], for the gov't to take the bulls by its horns. The reason why South Korea is what it is today with Samsung, Hyundai, LG, Daewoo etc, its coz the gov't rolled its sleeves and got dirty. They have done in 50 years,what the West took centuries. Why should Kenya take centuries? You got to look deep in the past, to foresee far into the future.
eboomerang
#54 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:54:19 PM
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Ric dees wrote:
..Now where to start!! Innovation and invention has always been brought about by necessity. With this i will try and be as basic as i can.. The Tech city is a bandwagon that most countries in the 3rd world have embarked on, from Chile to Kenya, to Bangaladesh and every-one is looking for the next BIG idea, however the means to get there is what is soley lacking and this is my greatest concern. The best tech brains are in the west,soon KCSE results will be announced and the top girl/boy will say he/she wants to study comp-science and guess what MIT will gladly offer a scholarship and form another statistic...get my drift here.. I find it amazing the kind of ideas that come out of i-hub and my take is some-one been watching too much TV,whenever i go to shaggz, whichever shaggz i see old women carrying firewood/produce on their backs i wonder can't some IT/Engeneering guys come up with something to alleviate this, as long as this is going on then we have a problem and lets face it thats our ball-park forget fancy ideas/titles shipped from countries that have been flourishing in centuries. As long as i continue to queue for minutes on end in the most basic fast food joint in Nairobi for a bag of chips where i know this can be done in half the time i spend their queing by technology again we have a problem.. So lets cut to the chase, Tech cities are springing up the world over, what will attract ours over the rest, what do we have in abundance, what skill?? your answer lies in the future of Konza and beyond..lets not imagine please!! it's a real world out there. My point is it has to be solving a local solution brought about a local problem and JKUAT or some-other uni has to be involved in this extensivley..or are we going the way AL Maktoum said build it and they will come..well we got no petrol $$ last time i checked!!
In agreement with your line of thought... Having the structures in place but no quality workforce will only lead to importation of skilled labor to work in these fancy structures. In such a scenario, technology transfer may not occur or at the very best it will occur at a very slow pace and the global forces would probably have realligned yet again. Blog Cloud computing and regulation of data will be some of the triggers of change in the ICT sector. How will these paradigms affect our so called ICT City plan? The point here is that there needs to be clarity in the big picture.
eboomerang
#55 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:19:35 PM
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mkeiy wrote:
The South Korea mentioned has not always been like that. To achieve levels of 98%,you got to have the means.South Korea has NOT always had the means, neither the literacy levels of 98%. To understand where they've come from, you need to go beyond 25years ago.To REALLY appreciate South Korea & where it has come from, go back to the years just after the Korean war,in the late 1950's. There came to power, a dictator. A people's dictator who made every South Korean work like a machine,not for themselves,but for the state. There was NO such human capital to write home about,but that DIDN'T stop them from starting factories. Companies like Samsung,Hyundai, Daewoo, Goldstar[now LG after merger] , got all the support from gov't. Gov't allocated them swathes of land to build factories, gave them loans cheaply,they didn't pay taxes. To save the gov't money,people were made to clean up their neighborhoods,make drainage. A working week was 6 days. They were forced to plant trees everywhere. Those days,there were not many learned people. Not every kid went to school. With the whole country disciplined, productivity improved,the companies thru' gov't support grew. Everybody put the country first. By late 1970s, South Korea was well on its feet. They could afford good life,most kids could go to school, their companies continued producing inferior products compared to Japan & the West. But life was better. Sad the era of the People's dictators is ending. In the 1980s & 90s, democracy takes root, but they are already way into the middle economy. Now the gov't can educate the children for free,the big companies have money to dedicate to R&D guys,everybody is happy. Come late 90s, South Korea has arrived to the world stage. Their products are world class. Early 2000s, they are rich enough to co-host the world. Late 2000s and their products are becoming barometers of quality worldwide. Nothing happens in a day. It starts from somewhere. The gov't role is SO significant in an economy like ours [just as it did in Korea's case], for the gov't to take the bulls by its horns. The reason why South Korea is what it is today with Samsung, Hyundai, LG, Daewoo etc, its coz the gov't rolled its sleeves and got dirty. They have done in 50 years,what the West took centuries. Why should Kenya take centuries? You got to look deep in the past, to foresee far into the future.
True, SouthK has not always been like that hence the reason we are saying that it needs to studied further and not give lopesided views during political rallies. Politics held constant, study their strongest industry -electronics. Figure out what makes it a strategic country to produce electronics. You can design a circuit in California and afford to have a low cost lab in Seoul or Beijing or Banglore for implementation and testing. What is the common grip across this cities? Intellectual capital. Offshore production of cars and more sophisticated goods like electronics is largely based on the ability to conduct technology transfer successfully. Otherwise the business costs of doing the transfer outweigh the perceived benefits. On a rather light note, did I hear someone the other day say something in the lines of "we may be building a hawker economy"? that is what you get if you don't have a good transformation plan.
bird_man
#56 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:22:06 PM
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Let me just ask this.... If you were Seven Seas,Craft Silicon,Nokia Siemens,Ericsson,Safaricom,Kencall,KDN,AK,IBM,HP etc.....why would you shift your office from Westlands/Mombasa Rd to Konza? Is it that taxes will be lower?Fibre faster?Cheaper labour?Cheaper electricity?Huge market? What?
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eboomerang
#57 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:26:16 PM
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bird_man wrote:
Let me just ask this.... If you were Seven Seas,Craft Silicon,Nokia Siemens,Ericsson,Safaricom,Kencall,KDN,AK,IBM,HP etc.....why would you shift your office from Westlands/Mombasa Rd to Konza? Is it that taxes will be lower?Fibre faster?Cheaper labour?Cheaper electricity?Huge market? What?
Good questions! Stated in another way, we could also ask these companies another question: "we would like you to increase your R&D operations in our country, what can we do to make that happen?" (*hoping that our engineers will be able to design similar systems in a few years*)
alma
#58 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:52:15 PM
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Positive thinking is a great thing. But blind hubris is not. What I find laughable is someone saying how Kenya has grown in IT in the last 10yrs. This assumes that the rest of the world is stagnant and waiting for Kenyans to get electricity 24/7. That is far from reality. The questions asked by birdman are the crux of the matter. Pretending that Kenyans are the best IT guys in the world simply because we have Ihub is rather egotistical in my view. Have you gone to Cambridge lately? Do you think the rest of the world is sitting by? My question remains. What is this special thing about Konza that will make Apple stop making chips in China? Is it the low interest rates? Is it cheaper factors of production? Is it a better business laws? What? We are being told that the tall buildings will bring the investors. I say NO. Either the ICT board gets serious about moving the whole Kenyan economy towards the adoption of IT YESTERDAY. Talking about 10yrs from now is the most foolhardy thing in IT. by that time, we could be hosting servers in the moon. Today, I heard someone in this gov't saying that they cannot give ICT contracts to Kenyan companies. Reason being that they are less than 5yrs old. So if these are the same people who are supposed to be leading Kenya to the future, By religiously denying the Kenyan entreprenuer an opportunity to work, exactly how do they lead Kenyans to the new age? These fellows forget that 5yrs ago, twitter did not exist. Yet the business environment created by US gov't policies are such that anyone with an idea can succeed. In Kenya its anyone with money to buy plots in Konza will succeed. I'm sorry. The internet and ICT does not allow lazy thinking and egotistical ideas. Either gov't policy is up to international standards or no one will come. I'm very optimistic that the Kenyan IT startups will succeed DESPITE Konza.
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eboomerang
#59 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:33:48 PM
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alma wrote:
Positive thinking is a great thing. But blind hubris is not. ... I'm very optimistic that the Kenyan IT startups will succeed DESPITE Konza.
Individual opportunities: Easy to identify One can easily identify where to offer small IT services. Whether this startups have what it takes to scale globally while remaining fully in Kenya, that is another story all together. Government's roadmap: Looks rather OFF or Unrealistic Some fundamentals of the technology driven industries are missing.
a4architect.com
#60 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:16:34 PM
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This is what AG Githu Muigai has to say about Konza http://www.a4architect.c...onza-ict-park-land-deal/
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