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Konza city Reality.
MaichBlack
#21 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:42:00 AM
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Magigi wrote:
Investors who had hoped to cash in on the proximity to Kenya’s first ICT Park in Konza to make capital gains will be disappointed as the government moved to bar human settlement within two kilometres of the park.http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/Fresh+zoning+at+Konza+park+dims+land+deals+/-/539550/1330944/-/42shog/-/index.html ...What will happen to those who had already acquired land with the 10km rad
The government will pay you back - at normal rates - not the inflated rate at which you bought the land. They are likely to pay you at pre Konza City prices which is dirt cheap! But I don't think this applies to the whole 10km. They will acquire 2km to set up a green zone and the other 8km will be under controlled development. You keep the land but build to plan! Might be a Muthaiga in 10 - 20 years. If you have land > 2km from the park you might consider holding on to it.
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selah
#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:57:35 AM
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poundfoolish wrote:
Ati MPesa was developed at Jkuat and Ushahidi at the Ihub... talk of talking from a point of ignorance...lol
There was a JKUAT guy who had sued vodafone sometime back after claiming he was paid peanut compared to what the solution was worth...I have also heard that Ushahidi was developed in Ihub or lets say the developers are Kenyans. My point is we dont need Konza city to advance our technology companies we need to boost the already available companies to achieve global dominance..for instance BPO has been growing at a snails pace we should be asking ourselves why is that...why cant we compete with india...will Konza city make us more competitive.I doubt that.
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Jamani
#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:13:42 AM
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selah wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
Ati MPesa was developed at Jkuat and Ushahidi at the Ihub... talk of talking from a point of ignorance...lol
There was a JKUAT guy who had sued vodafone sometime back after claiming he was paid peanut compared to what the solution was worth...I have also heard that Ushahidi was developed in Ihub or lets say the developers are Kenyans. My point is we dont need Konza city to advance our technology companies we need to boost the already available companies to achieve global dominance..for instance BPO has been growing at a snails pace we should be asking ourselves why is that...why cant we compete with india...will Konza city make us more competitive.I doubt that.
India created the same konza concept with their silicon valley and from it they advanced on their IT and later graduated to include BPOs becoming the white colar job outsource for the west leaving the blue colar to china. Kenya is on the right course in providing Konza for development...
alma
#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:24:38 PM
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Konza is just that. A dream Gov't should be more concerned with providing enabling business environments and not making a few people a killing. what is wrong with gov't using all it's efforts to ensure there is fibre all over the country and in every home. that way, the ideal BPO would be set up. Work from anywhere, not just Konza. Taking trips to silicon is just silly in my opinion. Silicon Valley is moving out of Silicon Valley. it's busy roaming the world looking not for houses, there are some nice ones in silicon valley you know, but for skilled labour. I promise you, they won't come to Kenya if there are no skilled labour. And I don't mean the self taught geeks in Ihub. I mean where our colleges and universities are good enough to train skilled labour. From my experience, we can't compare to the Indians who we constantly disparage. The ICT board has had it wrong from the very beginning. It's the human labour these companies are looking for. Not the houses.Before someone boasts about how many IT guys are tarmacking in Kenya...Let's be serious. IT guys taught using a book by a lecturer who doesn't have email are not truthfully IT guys. So Konza without skilled, well trained labour is as dead as the ICT board awards to companies that died as soon as they won their money.
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Ric dees
#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:14:13 PM
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I echo Konza will be and remain a real estate venture and nothing more. Last year i was privy to attend the investors briefing in London and he told us all this "glossy" names have said they are going to set-up shop once this is done ie: Twitter,HP,Skype,IBM and many more, now my colleague (we were there in a business capacity) asked him 3 years ago Hong Kong came up with the same concept and again all this guys said they are going to set-up shop and you know what 3 years later non have, it's ended up being..you guessed right a real estate venture..how do i know this, well again our firm was involved in this and barely made money out of this. So forgive me for being skeptic but i look at London's own Shoreditch roundabout UK's equivalent of Silicon roundabout 99.9% of ventures are all local start-ups and non of the glossy names, until we find local talent providing local solutions then we are doomed even before we start.
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Jamani
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:21:23 PM
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Having seen the success of such developments in places where skilled labour is available and places without either skilled labour or human resource numbers.... Konza will not died with or without labour.... think labour can be imported....I fully support the govt on this and I rest my case on arguments.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:22:55 PM
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@ Ric Dees. Very true. They should just market cheap land nead CBD, MOmbasa road e.t.c then local ICT guys invest small time then the city grows by itself as opposed to taking the Tatu City /Migaa route whreby they over-direct plot owners in what to develop. Even without all the ICT hype, Konza area will still develop into a Nairobi City hub due to 1.nearness to Nairobi 2.Proximity ot Msa. road. 3.Cheap land The ICT hype is mostly a fad so as to enable faster human settlement- i believe the main issues here is availability of cheap land. If the hype results to over-rpiced land, then it makes more sense for an ICT company to buy same price of land at Upper Hill ,Westlands or along Msa Road-Libra house area. ICT operates using very minimal space.E.g Safaricom runs alot of its biz from Westalnds and Mombasa road efficiently.
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alma
#28 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:52:47 PM
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So its agreed we call it a real estate venture and that's all. Now we can invest with information in our hands. But believing that as soon as Konza is finished, Kenyans will turn into IT gurus that the world shudders on seeing is rather foolhardy. Drinking cool-aid is not a cool thing. Let's have the ICT board and the gov't doing what they are supposed to do. Build an enabling environment so that we don't have our graduates hanging around the estate with no funding for their ideas. Building tall buildings is not the solution.
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mkeiy
#29 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:27:01 PM
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Going by the above, Dubai is a dream. That palm palace, a dream too. Simply, why not clear the air with 10 year bets. How did Vegas come up? I believe in New York people could gamble. Why go to Las Vegas? Simply convergence. If you are going to start making cars in modern day world, you need a place where you can get supplies. Human capital is just a cog on the big wheel. ICT is NOT ONLY about software development,it's MORE than that. Making phones is ICT. Making all manner of electronic chips is ICT. Making comps is ICT. Making servers is ICT. Making navigation consoles is ICT. BPO is ICT. To me,Konza will happen and not only as a real estate venture, but as a ICT hub also.
Jamani
#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:32:26 PM
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@ Mkely, they just dont get it...., they narrowed the scope.
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