@Sukuma,You are just about it on numbers.

@eduboy,you sound like one of them.

How can Kenyan military claim to be disciplined and responsible when they stood aside as Kenyans set upon each other during the PEV? Don't tell me that was internal security matter to be dealt with by the Police! The karaos were literally overwhelmed while they were just boozing and running around with women.

A Country's army cannot stand by and watch it's borders being breached by a bully neighbour. UG has encroached into Migingo and Pokot,Ethiopia had done that to the North,next it will be the Somali militias (Pirates) attacking from the East then TZ. You obviously expect them (army) to coil their tails between their legs as they've done numerously before. Sometime back Gen Opande said in the media that F5 jets were flown into Somali following a raid in which livestock were lost. Somali elders quickly converged and the animals were returned. That's the might and pride of a Country. An Army must show its might to deter enemies. Today we are just a punching bag.

Why then do they walk in such colourful crisp uniforms and insignia! What are they for? Are they decorations? Look at Gen Kianga,Karangi,Mwathethe,Tangai et al. They look like corporate excecutives,living so lavishly while the country is being auctioned.

This is a place where one enrols into the Army and retires without steppping into a battlefield.

Not that I want war,BUT our sovereignty must be defended.


Chief

Successful militaries dont go to war,they prevent it. N kenbatts dont go to serve food,they go for peacekeeping,frontline. Many have died. I have friends in there. But its true the public opinion is a force to reckon with in all military affairs. However,ours isnt genuine,its fanned by our brainless media and nyanza politicians,but public opinion nevertheless. Finally,@all,the military is a serious national objectives tool deployed only by the president,probably advised by the cabinet. Even if kenya burns,they can never leave the barracks for war till the president says so (unless its a coup). My two indian rupees.

Truest proverb: Mwenda pole hajikwai

Kenya military needs a serious infusion of training and equipment beef-up. Uganda will kick ass until they dip it in Kibaki arse!

What we need is not necessarily war but a PRESIDENT


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Modern wars are not faught with guns and tanks,the most important weapon is information,and tactics. Military hardware only comes into play when one side has an overwhelming advantage over the other (and that only applies to the US vs any other country in the world) or Israel and Hamas.

For Kenya and Uganda neither country has an edge when it comes to military hardware or technology hence a possible war will solely depend on the ability of the military commanders to utilise information at their disposal to either attack incisively or defend resolutely. I expect our Sandhurst trained officers (hoping they are sober) would have an edge.

Uganda may have double our tank sizes yet all we need are infantry with RPG's hidden somewhere on their path and that will render all their tanks useless. (And by the way their tanks are mostly T-55 (WWII) vintage,while our latest stuff is T-72,which is one step below the Soviets main battle tank the T-80)

Kenya has the geographical advantage (to stifle oil supply) and don't forget the motivation that kenyans would have by virture of having to defend their homeland. Plus Kenyans are proven athletes at the world stage,(soldiers need stamina to keep matching forever)

Of note is the fact that kenya has 2 armoured brigades (no foot soldiers) this would give us unmarched speed. we also have a helicopter air wing (information gathering),add to that,transfer our Navy to lake victoria and we can practically be pissing right in the middle of Kampala.

Although UG does seem to have a collection of Migs to match our F5's.

As for personel,wikipedia has kenya's as 40,000 army,1,000 airforce,1,000 navy,9,000 paramilitary GSU(by the way who are regarded as our trumpcard,2,000 of whom are Israeli trained),60,000 police and 20,000 APs. That gives you a ready to deploy force of 135,000.

UG only has on the list some 45-50,000,Even if I were to be pessimistic and triple the number to 150,000,we would still be fairly matched .

For me I can't see a war happening btn the 2 countries,but were this to take place,I would not lose any sleep,I am sure UPDF would not get anywhere.

Museveni is all talk and no action,Migingo is just an acre (albeit our acre),sooner or later we will put him in his place.

So stop all this cowardly talk about kenya losing to UPDF,if Museveni dares to attack kenya he will learn the difference btn a rag tag army of zealots using children as shields and a disciplned one shooting 100 tank shells as one.

I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.

A carefull study of armies that took part in the second world war reveals an element of attrition. The battle hardened troops were eventualy replaced by boys barely out of their teens,and hurriedly trained to bear arms. The situation got so bad that the allies resorted to recruiting blacks into the army,something the colonialists had been against. The use of the atomic bomb quickly ended the war,thereby minimising effects of attrition on american troops. Remember america joined the war in the late stages. Even present day guerillar movements have resorted to forcefull recruitment of minors to sustain a movement. This is because their experienced men have been killed in action or seriously wounded. The american government is also recruiting non citizens to fight in iraq. History also bears witness that those who defend their homelands against foreign invasion usually adopt guerrilar warfare. Presently kenya needs only to release the local militia groups,under the command of former service men,eg mungiki to wreck havoc on the ugandan civillian population using hit and run techniques.this will outstretch uganda's security forces making them withdraw back to defensive positions.

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