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BIBILICAL EVENTS EXPLAINED.
Caramba
#61 Posted : Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:29:29 PM
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[quote=Coolbull]@Josiah. I have copied this from somewhere. It answers you. I'll post the link later.

Here we go>>>>>>




Because God is love. He couldn't do the evil I was challenging Him to do to me to prove He exists. He does not prove Himself in evil but in goodness and love.

Are you referring to the same dude who slaughtered numerous innocent children and many other people in the Old Testament?
bigbossman
#62 Posted : Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:22:27 PM
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tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:

When you say causal i presume you mean cause and effect. So what's the cause for the effect from the bibilical point of view?

And later ....

Also if exactitude of the stories is not guaranteed and the reporting is both subjective and relative to the narrator's position as you say, then all the less plausible the bible stories are.

Then ...

And about Icarus and Daedelus, is that a bible story too? Hell i don't believe that story.



The bibilical view is about a relationship between God and Man, and this relationship is grounded on Psychological causes and effects. The bible is clear that God acts in love, and the whole unfolding of the history of Man is one of being conscious of God's love and consumating it.

When the positive scientist seeks to offer an explanation, he finds himself being restricted to a method that necessarily tries to exclude or minimize the psychological.

But even this positivism has been put to doubt. Consider the thoughts of physists like Schroedinger, and come even to modern cosmology and the 'Anthropic principle.' The gist of the whole movement in thought is that there is no pure observation; the observer is necessarily a creator of the event.

Therefore, if the above assertions are true, then it follows that one can only find the Truth of an assertion in the psychological sphere.

The aim of speech is to include or consider the psychological positions and interpretations of other minds. That is, truth is the result of a conversation. So one cannot say that a statement is true or false just because it doesn't accord to his/her personal experience.

Finally, when you say you don't believe in Icarus' story, what exactly do you mean? If you are talking of the 'literal truth' then know that that is not in dispute as such. But the psychological truth? Well if you believe the aphorism, 'Pride comes before a fall' then you believe in the story.

"Quantum theory is often seen as the root cause of unrelated, mysterious phenomena. Take consciousness for example. British physicist Roger Penrose recently argued 'that we will need to invoke 'new physics and exotic biological structures': rewriting quantum theory to make sense of consciousness.' But why do this, especially as there is no apparent causal link between quantum mechanics and the conscious mind? There appears to be a very basic logical fallacy here that even the most prominent physicists seem to be making."
LIFE IS SO GOOD
YesuWangu
#63 Posted : Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:33:38 PM
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Caramba wrote:
[quote=Coolbull]@Josiah. I have copied this from somewhere. It answers you. I'll post the link later.

Here we go>>>>>>




Because God is love. He couldn't do the evil I was challenging Him to do to me to prove He exists. He does not prove Himself in evil but in goodness and love.

Are you referring to the same dude who slaughtered numerous innocent children and many other people in the Old Testament?

What an exciting question! I thought you would never ask. I thought i would never have the chance to tackle it.

It always comes up when the enemy of souls wants to divert attention from himself, accusing God of cruelty. Man has he not experimented with the human mind! An experience measured in millenia.

Tell you what, i am currently in the bush and i only have a basic phone to use. When i get back to the city this weekend where i can access my computer, i will give the answer.

i promise.
Kihangeri
#64 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:29:46 AM
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Caramba wrote:
[quote=Coolbull]@Josiah. I have copied this from somewhere. It answers you. I'll post the link later.

Here we go>>>>>>




Because God is love. He couldn't do the evil I was challenging Him to do to me to prove He exists. He does not prove Himself in evil but in goodness and love.

Are you referring to the same dude who slaughtered numerous innocent children and many other people in the Old Testament?


God of the Jews created evil, he created pain, he created hate, he created tribalism (Ati Jews are the chosen ppl and the rest of humanity are subhuman). The Jewish God is evil itself, read the bible and you will see it all over.

Exodus 34:7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet God does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation."

Deuteronomy 5:9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

In other words, this Jewish god does not recognise democracy, transfers my fathers sins to me, rains fire on ppl, he must be a Kubafu fellow.

Although I don't intend to praise my spirituality, I would say my African God has a human heart and is responsive to my needs. For we say, God, be with us in our endeavors, for when we succeed, you succeed to, when we fail, you fail to.
By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...
Gaitho dialogues.


Kihangeri
#65 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:33:56 AM
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YesuWangu wrote:

Tell you what, i am currently in the bush and i only have a basic phone to use. When i get back to the city this weekend where i can access my computer, i will give the answer.

i promise.


There was someone here who thought being in the bush is a vice. Are you preaching out there in the wilderness? Keep it going till the word of the Almighty is heard far and wide.
By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...
Gaitho dialogues.


Caramba
#66 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:33:11 PM
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Kihangeri wrote:
Caramba wrote:
[quote=Coolbull]@Josiah. I have copied this from somewhere. It answers you. I'll post the link later.

Here we go>>>>>>




Because God is love. He couldn't do the evil I was challenging Him to do to me to prove He exists. He does not prove Himself in evil but in goodness and love.

Are you referring to the same dude who slaughtered numerous innocent children and many other people in the Old Testament?


God of the Jews created evil, he created pain, he created hate, he created tribalism (Ati Jews are the chosen ppl and the rest of humanity are subhuman). The Jewish God is evil itself, read the bible and you will see it all over.

Exodus 34:7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet God does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation."

Deuteronomy 5:9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

In other words, this Jewish god does not recognise democracy, transfers my fathers sins to me, rains fire on ppl, he must be a Kubafu fellow.

Although I don't intend to praise my spirituality, I would say my African God has a human heart and is responsive to my needs. For we say, God, be with us in our endeavors, for when we succeed, you succeed to, when we fail, you fail to.


Not to forget the genocide visited on the first born children during passover. Also, when the Jews went to grab Canaan and were ordered to slaughter the other tribes.
scout_boy
#67 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:19:23 AM
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Kihangeri/Caramba,


Are there any historical proofs to support these claims you are making?
Caramba
#68 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:25:32 PM
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scout_boy wrote:
Kihangeri/Caramba,


Are there any historical proofs to support these claims you are making?


Exodus 12:29 At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.

The Canaan massacre- Deut 7:2And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly adestroy them; thou shalt bmake no ccovenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them.

Joshua 6:1-20 The Jericho genocide.
YesuWangu
#69 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2012 9:36:12 AM
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So we are on a roll arent we?

I am here, back to the city, chewing these delicious mangoes from Marakwet that I gathered during my day job as I wrote this.

Someone insists that millions of years ago, the mango tree ancestors decided, on their own, to have sweet succulent juicy yellow flesh that is so distinct in shape, color, taste, texture and smell from other mangoes elsewhere so that one day Yesuwangu will eat it, take the seed and plant it far from where it was produced.....


Anyway, I regretted making the promise. I know I should not engage in analysis of the truth with those who trample upon it but since I made the promise, here goes my one shot then I go away.

Its amazing the inconsistency, fudge and cavil being exhibited from the other side. On one hand they are adamant the bible is not true and they use other sources to hammer this point. Then on the next chapter they turn around and say the bible is true and insist that what it says really happened.

Such quibble is in over supply from this other side, and personally it is quite exasperating IMHO, to discuss with such people. They change sides and stories as as oft as it suits their current status, but this debate will not go on indefinitely.

We who believe in God have nothing to prove, they that oppose us have everything to disprove.

Pascal's Famous Wager on God's Existence
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) who made us the Pascals triangle, for those who remember their high school mathematics, made a wager and he observed that 'And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and loss, and the infinite to gain. This is demonstrable: and if men are capable of any truths, this is one.'

His Conclusion 1. Rationality requires you to wager for God. Conclusion 2. You should wager for God.

This Blaise Pascal was a mathematician, physicist, and philosopher. But men of today, men of renown, men purporting to be learned and philosophical, perhaps by half or less or naught, have calculated, considered and concluded there is no God.

They should have no problem then rebutting Pascals wager on their own using their own logic and words.

They should not put their faith in another to rebut it for them as all their faith logically ought to be within themselves and not another being.

I have nothing to prove, they have everything to disprove.

That is my parting challenge in this particular matter.
YesuWangu
#70 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2012 9:42:46 AM
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Having cleared this dark thicket a little:

To further trick human beings into deeper rebellion against God, satan accuses God of killing human beings. Massacre, he calls them and quotes some supporting text from the bible. his handy men run away with it in glee.

So we tend to side with the underdog, as we always do, against an almighty foe. satan had long recognised that peculiar human characteristic and has exploited it fully.

But God has not yet killed anyone. He has merely put them to sleep, in His own words. Like a doctor can give Diazepam to a patient who is becoming a nuisance to peace and tranquility.

He said Lazarus sleeps but because human beings did not comprehend it, He said it in the words that they understand, that Lazarus is 'dead'. (John 11:11-14). Lets hear the other side quote that, if they can, its a dare.

When He will have awoken every single human who has ever been alive in this planet, they will find themselves in either of 2 groups. If you are in a certain group, He will kind of give you one last hug because He loves you so and guess what this hug will feel like?

God says He is a consuming fire (Deut 4:24 & Hebrews 12:29). He says it will not be a fire to sit before or warm at (Isaiah 47:14).

He is in heaven and being a consuming fire, it is here where there is everlasting fire and burning. (Isaiah 33:14,onwards).

Those who cannot withstand the flames, unlike Daniel, will die. They have chosen on their own not to withstand it. God says He has no pleasure in the death of the sinner (Ezekiel 18:23).

We now see how satan has influenced people and has perverted the truth about heaven & hell, death, and the character of God. The handy men rejoice!

So when to know why He kills people? I guess you will have to be alive to ask Him that when he returns, wont you?

Will you be equipped to withstand the flames and live to ask Him that? Do you intend to be like the Samaritan woman at the well who was certain that when He comes, He will explain everything to us (John 4:25).

Consider Pascals wager, infinite gain if He does exist and you believe.....finite gain if He doesnt exists and you dont believe.


All these confusion need not be the case if people simply do read their bibles.

The light is there in the world but people have preferred the darkness to the light (John 3:19). Like I said, this debate will not go on indefinitely.

I have given my single shot so I will leave it. It can be picked to pieces now.
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