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Treasury Bills Investing-Procedure?
Cde Monomotapa
#81 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:56:34 PM
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Kenia Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly but a lot of the Kenians on Wazua appear as refugees in their own country (read they know little of how it works.)
Cde Monomotapa
#82 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:59:14 PM
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And @hisah do guide your flock well. Shephard smile otw, as @Nabwire has put it, many will be hurt here.
hisah
#83 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:00:00 AM
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@Nabwire - am a trader thus buy & hold dont work for me. This way I short & long as per the trend. NSE has no short selling. Would be in da monies a long time ago thus I short NSE via treasurys with measly returns. Very unfair for now since CBK has also blocked KES fx trades Sad That USDKES was a good trade as it zoomed past 90 last year.
I'm also not based in KE (almost Thur 5am here), but I like the safcom stock, not as a telco, but the mpesa bank part. They should separate them & unlock its value. Still scoping it for now. KK too is kool, but only below 9/-. It has refused to obey my wish in this bear Sad As for bank, I'm not touching them with the current monetary disorder.

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#84 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:04:22 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
And @hisah do guide your flock well. Shephard smile otw, as @Nabwire has put it, many will be hurt here.

Haiya! Since when did I become a muchungaji to mind my church flock smile
Kila investor na akili zake...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#85 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:10:48 AM
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Drunkard wrote:
@Nabwire,
we've been in process of building a Diaspora Investment Fund that mainly invest in Kenyan Market (equity, fixed income and alternative investments) and small cap US public traded companies, even though the fund is structured such that it is a closed fund( investment by invitation), We envision more Kenyans in Diaspora starting structure that will facilitate investments for all!

Why closed? Sounds weird...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Cde Monomotapa
#86 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:13:38 AM
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hisah wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
And @hisah do guide your flock well. Shephard smile otw, as @Nabwire has put it, many will be hurt here.

Haiya! Since when did I become a muchungaji to mind my church flock smile
Kila investor na akili zake...

Alas! Caped Crusader?! You know that your activities r a lot more action-packed than those of the Farmers of Wazua...beba msalaba boss. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Nabwire
#87 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:17:18 AM
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Drunkard wrote:
@Nabwire,
we've been in process of building a Diaspora Investment Fund that mainly invest in Kenyan Market (equity, fixed income and alternative investments) and small cap US public traded companies, even though the fund is structured such that it is a closed fund( investment by invitation), We envision more Kenyans in Diaspora starting structure that will facilitate investments for all!


Is this an invitation to join your group or proposal to give investment insight? Im hoping the latter smile for a fee!!
Drunkard
#88 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:30:16 AM
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hisah wrote:
Drunkard wrote:
@Nabwire,
we've been in process of building a Diaspora Investment Fund that mainly invest in Kenyan Market (equity, fixed income and alternative investments) and small cap US public traded companies, even though the fund is structured such that it is a closed fund( investment by invitation), We envision more Kenyans in Diaspora starting structure that will facilitate investments for all!

Why closed? Sounds weird...


It is a choice, there are thousands of closed fund out there, we closed it because we want to only deal with people who can be useful to the fund above and beyond their invested capital, we also do not want to deal with thousands of people investing $100 each, we want to deal with manageable number of people with a pre-set minimum and maximum investment capital.
Drunkard
#89 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:36:33 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
Drunkard wrote:
@Nabwire,
we've been in process of building a Diaspora Investment Fund that mainly invest in Kenyan Market (equity, fixed income and alternative investments) and small cap US public traded companies, even though the fund is structured such that it is a closed fund( investment by invitation), We envision more Kenyans in Diaspora starting structure that will facilitate investments for all!


Is this an invitation to join your group or proposal to give investment insight? Im hoping the latter smile for a fee!!


I don't know about that!
Cde Monomotapa
#90 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:40:25 AM
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@Dd that's a great plan n' I wish U guys all the best. U r still sons & daughters of the Soil. Tujenge Uchumi yetu smile
Nabwire
#91 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:03:12 AM
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Drunkard give the specifics eg how much is the contribution, who is in charge of the investments ( his/her qualifications/track record)which equities, time frame etc etc
Drunkard
#92 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:27:32 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
Drunkard give the specifics eg how much is the contribution, who is in charge of the investments ( his/her qualifications/track record)which equities, time frame etc etc



The minimum investment in $10,000 and the Maximum for non-management members is $20,000, The fund is managed by 16 people which are also the majority owners of the fun, the people who manage the fund are part-time and hold full-time jobs, the do not take any management fee and only take 30% of the profits.

There is no minimum duration of the investment but if you withdraw within six months there is zero return but you'll get back full capital within 24hrs of request for withdraw and you lose the privilage to invest in it again, otherwise all the returns are paid to the investors by the 10th business day at the beginning of each year.

30% is invested in US equity and fixed income and 20% goes to internaltion derivative market, 50% is invested in Kenyan and Africa.

Fund managers are ordinary people, non of them is over 30yrs but all have backgrounds and work in financial institutions and public accounting firms.
Cde Monomotapa
#93 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:29:37 AM
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Drunkard wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
Drunkard give the specifics eg how much is the contribution, who is in charge of the investments ( his/her qualifications/track record)which equities, time frame etc etc



The minimum investment in $10,000 and the Maximum for non-management members is $20,000, The fund is managed by 16 people which are also the majority owners of the fun, the people who manage the fund are part-time and hold full-time jobs, the do not take any management fee and only take 30% of the profits.

There is no minimum duration of the investment but if you withdraw within six months there is zero return but you'll get back full capital within 24hrs of request for withdraw and you lose the privilage to invest in it again, otherwise all the returns are paid to the investors by the 10th business day at the beginning of each year.

30% is invested in US equity and fixed income and 20% goes to internaltion derivative market, 50% is invested in Kenyan and Africa.

Fund managers are ordinary people, non of them is over 30yrs but all have backgrounds and work in financial institutions and public accounting firms.

and how will the thinking and actions of 16 heads be harmonised considering this isn't an industrial plant? Better have a full-time or available on call manager(s), trust me, I know. From the wordings the level of commitment is low..u have provided for easy exit even b4 u've started Sad no lock in, profit sharing in a year, what's the horizon here? Is it long?...aich!
Nabwire
#94 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:52:58 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Drunkard wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
Drunkard give the specifics eg how much is the contribution, who is in charge of the investments ( his/her qualifications/track record)which equities, time frame etc etc



The minimum investment in $10,000 and the Maximum for non-management members is $20,000, The fund is managed by 16 people which are also the majority owners of the fun, the people who manage the fund are part-time and hold full-time jobs, the do not take any management fee and only take 30% of the profits.

There is no minimum duration of the investment but if you withdraw within six months there is zero return but you'll get back full capital within 24hrs of request for withdraw and you lose the privilage to invest in it again, otherwise all the returns are paid to the investors by the 10th business day at the beginning of each year.

30% is invested in US equity and fixed income and 20% goes to internaltion derivative market, 50% is invested in Kenyan and Africa.

Fund managers are ordinary people, non of them is over 30yrs but all have backgrounds and work in financial institutions and public accounting firms.

and how will the thinking and actions of 16 heads be harmonised considering this isn't an industrial plant? Better have a full-time or available on call manager(s), trust me, I know. From the wordings the level of commitment is low..u have provided for easy exit even b4 u've started Sad no lock in, profit sharing in a year, what's the horizon here? Is it long?...aich!

Drunkard, thanks, but no thanks. Reasons
1. $10,000 is alot of money to entrust to someone else when I can do it myself, most likely with better returns.
2.Ati managed by 16 people? At first I thought you meant 16 members, 16 managers? Holy smokes!!
3.The fund manager is part time, with a full time job. Hapana nimekataa, I follow the market religiously, I wouldnt trust my money with someone who does it part time.
4.The management takes 30% profit, so basically if you have a $100,000 kitty, and the management is able to double it, they will take $60,000? Or is the 30% subject to the initial capital? Still very steep fee, I'd rather do it myself through my brokerage firm, if I double the $100k, the brokerage firm only takes a flat fee of $7 smile
5. Funds are paid on the 10th Business day of the year, meaning no dividends. You guys have structured this as a mutual fund, only problem is you pay out alot in management fees and still pocket the dividends Sad Shame on you
6. 30% is invested in US equities and fixed income. First of all imho 30% is too low!! Secondly im not into fixed income, I love risk smile
7. Fund managers work in Finance & Accounting firms, translates to they basically dont know what they are doing? Just coz you have a degree, especially an Accounting one, doesnt necessarily mean you know how to play the market.
So basically it makes no Financial sense for me to join your group, unless you bring me on as a Consultant with hefty feessmile I will only take 10% of invested income& profit. The only part that entices me about your portofolio is derivates trade, tell me more pliz
Drunkard
#95 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:07:14 PM
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@Nabwire,
First I don't remember inviting you so lets skip that part.
Answers for the questions:
1) If you can do it yourself with better return, thats great, part of the reasons why we decided to pool fund together is because everyone of us have unique skills that we wanted to leverage.

2) Yes 16 managers, that doesn't mean 16 people sit and make decision on whether to invest in Bank of America or not, There are programmers to code trading softwares, there are acountants to check the numbers, there are economists to advice on economics and they're finance people.
3) Yes we're all part-time, we're not day-traders, most of the guys follow the market religiously during their day job and use that knowledge later during the day to execute, we also use programmed trading softwares during the day no need for human presences.

4) yes 30% profits, usually hedge fund take 2% management fee and 20% profit, so since we're not taking management fee, we will take 30% of profits, so if we double you $100 we take $30. we do not touch capital something other managers do.

5) Our investment objective do not include dividend returns and we invest in small cap stock that do not usually pay dividends.

6)yes the ratios are as indicated, when you're managing five figure amount, it is absolutely in line if you put all the money in risk investments, infact you can invest in one stock, but when the number turn to a six and above, you start looking at copula, Gamma, equalities,probabilities and hedging techniques at the same time look for arbitrage opportunities you're not going to just invest carelessly.

7) Fund managers work in Finance & Accounting firms, translates to they basically dont know what they are doing? Again, joining the group was not discuss anywhere and again in my experience in life I can tell you that, show me what you can do and I will show you someone else who can do it better, so don't bash people you don't know what they can do, so humble a little bit.
Lastly, If I know you can make money for us, I will absolutely bet on you but first someone else must have recognize you as a great talent. Everyone here have met someone who talk too much and know too little. So what do you have?


josiah33
#96 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:31:01 PM
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bird_man wrote:
So you take a loan of 1M to make about 70K that whole year?
You had better even buy cows or plant something.1M for 70K.....

At least you will make 70k from other people's money.
Nabwire
#97 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:49:03 PM
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Drunkard Investing 101, take the emotions out, its not personal its just business.
Actually I wouldnt be interested even in being a Consultant, coz I would have 16 headaches to deal with.
About the Accounting bit, I was relating it to a relative who is CPA MBA , she makes good money but has no investments and has no clue how to invest. I wasnt trying to put them down or anything, I know abit of Accounting but I could def not do what she does and vice versa.
On the programming bit, I like to keep things super simple
Anyways good luck on your venture.
Drunkard
#98 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 12:51:38 AM
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@Nabwire,
It is not about you being interested, it is about us being interested in you, the question is are we going to be interested in your services? Part of the reason why it is investment by invitation is, we don't want people investing $100 and calling with $10,000 worth of questions.

Chaka
#99 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 11:40:22 AM
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amolo wrote:
Another important thing is T Bills pay interest IN ADVANCE. Technically this means you can re-invest the interest the following week to earn interest on the interest. With a bit of luck depending on how you bid you can get interest rates above weighted average for the week (which is used for non competetive bids). 14.836% was weighted average of accepted bids for last week. Some people got higher interest, some lower according to how they bid. If you do not want to risk missing bid AVERAGE.

@Amolo,
In today's DN I have seen the average 91 day T-Bill bid price for last week's auction was 95.07
If I want to bid AVERAGE for next week's auction,what bid price would I use since the weighted average rate is unknown?
Also,in the event of an over-subscription, what factors would be used to reject an application?
For Sport
#100 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 1:37:47 PM
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Chaka wrote:
amolo wrote:
Another important thing is T Bills pay interest IN ADVANCE. Technically this means you can re-invest the interest the following week to earn interest on the interest. With a bit of luck depending on how you bid you can get interest rates above weighted average for the week (which is used for non competetive bids). 14.836% was weighted average of accepted bids for last week. Some people got higher interest, some lower according to how they bid. If you do not want to risk missing bid AVERAGE.

@Amolo,
In today's DN I have seen the average 91 day T-Bill bid price for last week's auction was 95.07
If I want to bid AVERAGE for next week's auction,what bid price would I use since the weighted average rate is unknown?
Also,in the event of an over-subscription, what factors would be used to reject an application?

When filling in the form, in the column for bid price, write "Non Competitive" instead of indicating a price.
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