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BRITAK Prospects
hisah
#61 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:36:33 AM
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Most wanjikus suffer from cutting losses paranoia. They wont sell even if it turns into another paka story...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
kiriita
#62 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:37:07 AM
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guru267 wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:

A look at Appendix 4 (Management accounts to 30 April 2011) would have told you a lot
The PAT for the 4 month period stood at 407,012,000 while for the corresponding period in the previous year was at 1,316,253,000 and the investment income declined to 415,466,000 from 1,895,418,000

Also notice this statement:

The Group made a profit before tax of Kshs 2.87 billion as compared to a loss before tax of Kshs 334 million in 2009. This
positive performance was the result of unrealised fair value gains on equity investments amounting to Kshs 3.56 billion in
2010 compared to unrealised fair value losses of Kshs 574 million included in 2009. This outcome is a reflection of the good
performance of the Stock Market during the year.

What more did anyone need?


@youcant can Wanjiku understand any of this jargon??

The profit warning announced yesterday was the first official profit warning since the IPO.. I think Wanjiku will understand how bad their investment was very easily now..


@ guru, probably this was clearer - Appendix 2.1 [p.122 of the Prospectus] - Forecast financial performance for the year ending 31 December 2011 - PBT - KES 1,168,170.00?
Mainat
#63 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:25:14 AM
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Kirita-thanks.
Agu-to be clear, in 2010 Britak made Ksh2.7bn PAT and it projected Ksh1.0bn for 2011 a 62% fall. Infact, the profit warning is rosier. Please confirm this is prospectus you saw http://bit.ly/Au1T1T
Btw, hadn't realised that the Ekweity duo still own 11% of Britak
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2012
#64 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:45:00 AM
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guru267 wrote:
I wonder if they will use IPO funds to pay a dividend..


With a flopped IPO they can't afford to dip into that jar.
Expect no dividend here the best might be an insulting ngo'ch (10cts).
smile

BBI will solve it
:)
VituVingiSana
#65 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:41:42 PM
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QW25081985 wrote:

bytheway there was a time safaricom rallied from 2 bob to 8 bob !

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youcan'tstopusnow
#66 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:46:20 PM
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Sub 5 now...
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Kausha
#67 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:13:40 PM
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It's a pity the government in its own capacity and a few wealthy who coincidentally exert some considerable influence in government decided to use the securities exchange as a platform on which to CON wanjiku rather than a platform to DO business with Wanjiku on a win win situation.

It was very obvious that BRITAK was offered at a very steep premium in a similar way to Safcom. Pity is some of the things promised by Britak will never see the light of day making one wonder what work CMA does when reviewing IPO memoranda. I doubt any regulator in any developed market would have allowed Britak to list at 9.50. I opined in this forum and even shared with the Transaction advisor that it made sense for Wanjiku to spend her money on Kenol shares (on comparative price basis) which were retailing at 9.40 cum div and were about to pay 52 cts dividend at the IPO time than buy Britak which was forecasting a payout of 55cts in 2012 from 2011 profits.

Presuming Wanjiku 1 bought Britak at 9.50 whereas Wanjiku 2 bought Kenol and went back to her shamba, Wanjiku 2 has to date received a 5% price gain, 52cts divy from 2010 results, another 57cts interim divy and confirmation from Bw. Segman that results for 2011 are beyond forecasts and there will be a divy which will likely be higher than the interim, in total a 22% return in a very ugly year assuming final divy from 2011 full years is at least equal to interim.

On the other hand wanjiku 1 is 51% poorer with minimal hope of an upside besides a market rally. CMA would have saved Wanjiku 1 all this grief by interogating Britak's forecasts and insisting they price much lower (closer to their true intrinsic value). Other than Equity bank's entry price, CMA continues to thoroughly fail Wanjiku and I can't comprehend how they keep renewing Stella's job!
youcan'tstopusnow
#68 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:29:23 PM
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Kausha, does CMA have a cap on the 'premium' a company can list at at? I doubt. It is not the duty of the regulator to set prices

Ultimately the decision to buy into an IPO is an investors after reviewing all the necessary documents. No one is under any form of coercion. Once listed, the counter will experience 'price discovery'.

It is not CMA's duty to review the 'intrinsic' value. After all, there are various methods of calculating 'value'. Which one would CMA use? If the regulator were to do this, what would be the work of the market then?


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Kausha
#69 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:00:35 PM
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@youcan'tstop us now, you need to spend more time on your books to understand what is the role of a CMA and why it's funded by the government aka Wanjiku. It's not a bureaucracy for receiving and stamping memoranda 'APPROVED'. It exists primarily to protect the investing public and preserve public interest.

It's the duty of the regulator to ensure that information issued to the public is factual and can be relied upon by the public when making investment decisions. The CMA actually reviews forecasts, assumptions and methodology used to arrive at the intrinsic value. Anyone can bring documents for review at CMA but if you must issue them to the public then CMA has to review their sensibility. Equity Bank is a case in point, they had an introductory price of 120p.s in mind but were forced to revise their forecasts and subsequent prices to 70. It was simple, the CMA then (before Stella brought her madness) argued that Equity could not grow loans and deposits at 100% yet the banking industry was growing loans at 25% and deposits at 20%. Off course Equity had a track record to back up their claims, but didn't have bankable future numbers.

In comes stella and we have Uchumi with fantastic sales projections, Safcom with superb data forecasts and Britak with very rosy investment income assumptions. Whose work do you think it is to stop this madness? Don't get mixed up by the definition of price discovery which is the price the buyer and seller agree to do business at assuming they have correct and factual information about a security. Price discovery is not Kamare, where one person hides a card in their fists behind their backs and asks you to discover which hand is holding the card.
youcan'tstopusnow
#70 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:10:40 PM
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What would you have Britak include in the prospectus which was no there?
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Kihangeri
#71 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:25:02 PM
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Kausha wrote:
It's a pity the government in its own capacity and a few wealthy who coincidentally exert some considerable influence in government decided to use the securities exchange as a platform on which to CON wanjiku rather than a platform to DO business with Wanjiku on a win win situation.

It was very obvious that BRITAK was offered at a very steep premium in a similar way to Safcom. Pity is some of the things promised by Britak will never see the light of day making one wonder what work CMA does when reviewing IPO memoranda. I doubt any regulator in any developed market would have allowed Britak to list at 9.50. I opined in this forum and even shared with the Transaction advisor that it made sense for Wanjiku to spend her money on Kenol shares (on comparative price basis) which were retailing at 9.40 cum div and were about to pay 52 cts dividend at the IPO time than buy Britak which was forecasting a payout of 55cts in 2012 from 2011 profits.

Presuming Wanjiku 1 bought Britak at 9.50 whereas Wanjiku 2 bought Kenol and went back to her shamba, Wanjiku 2 has to date received a 5% price gain, 52cts divy from 2010 results, another 57cts interim divy and confirmation from Bw. Segman that results for 2011 are beyond forecasts and there will be a divy which will likely be higher than the interim, in total a 22% return in a very ugly year assuming final divy from 2011 full years is at least equal to interim.

On the other hand wanjiku 1 is 51% poorer with minimal hope of an upside besides a market rally. CMA would have saved Wanjiku 1 all this grief by interogating Britak's forecasts and insisting they price much lower (closer to their true intrinsic value). Other than Equity bank's entry price, CMA continues to thoroughly fail Wanjiku and I can't comprehend how they keep renewing Stella's job!


I like this kind of argument. Kausha, I also doubt stella's credibility. However, CMA has changed with time. Previous CMA was more of a Criminal Mob Authority than a markets authority as they did not protect Wanjiku and bent all the rules to protect the brokers and the broken.
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Kausha
#72 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:27:01 PM
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Manage their revenue and income forecasts to reasonable levels, remove the propaganda on real estate, show how Britak's valuation multiples compare to peer companies on the NSE and a few other comparable exchanges in Africa. Plainly showing the PE, PB multiples without showing how these compare with the rest of the industry in Kenya and elsewhere was insufficient.
youcan'tstopusnow
#73 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:27:27 PM
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And as much as you castigate the CMA, people should always take personal responsibility for their actions

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youcan'tstopusnow
#74 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:28:33 PM
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Kihangeri wrote:
Kausha wrote:
It's a pity the government in its own capacity and a few wealthy who coincidentally exert some considerable influence in government decided to use the securities exchange as a platform on which to CON wanjiku rather than a platform to DO business with Wanjiku on a win win situation.

It was very obvious that BRITAK was offered at a very steep premium in a similar way to Safcom. Pity is some of the things promised by Britak will never see the light of day making one wonder what work CMA does when reviewing IPO memoranda. I doubt any regulator in any developed market would have allowed Britak to list at 9.50. I opined in this forum and even shared with the Transaction advisor that it made sense for Wanjiku to spend her money on Kenol shares (on comparative price basis) which were retailing at 9.40 cum div and were about to pay 52 cts dividend at the IPO time than buy Britak which was forecasting a payout of 55cts in 2012 from 2011 profits.

Presuming Wanjiku 1 bought Britak at 9.50 whereas Wanjiku 2 bought Kenol and went back to her shamba, Wanjiku 2 has to date received a 5% price gain, 52cts divy from 2010 results, another 57cts interim divy and confirmation from Bw. Segman that results for 2011 are beyond forecasts and there will be a divy which will likely be higher than the interim, in total a 22% return in a very ugly year assuming final divy from 2011 full years is at least equal to interim.

On the other hand wanjiku 1 is 51% poorer with minimal hope of an upside besides a market rally. CMA would have saved Wanjiku 1 all this grief by interogating Britak's forecasts and insisting they price much lower (closer to their true intrinsic value). Other than Equity bank's entry price, CMA continues to thoroughly fail Wanjiku and I can't comprehend how they keep renewing Stella's job!


I like this kind of argument. Kausha, I also doubt stella's credibility. However, CMA has changed with time. Previous CMA was more of a Criminal Mob Authority than a markets authority as they did not protect Wanjiku and bent all the rules to protect the brokers and the broken.

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youcan'tstopusnow
#75 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:32:47 PM
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Kausha wrote:
Manage their revenue and income forecasts to reasonable levels, remove the propaganda on real estate, show how Britak's valuation multiples compare to peer companies on the NSE and a few other comparable exchanges in Africa. Plainly showing the PE, PB multiples without showing how these compare with the rest of the industry in Kenya and elsewhere was insufficient.

That would be shooting themselves in the foot, you have to agree. How many NSE listed companies have done this before? Did Equity do that? (I don't know)

Shouldn't the investor do this for themselves and then determine if he/she is getting a raw deal? Otherewise, that would be tantamount to 'kuwekewa chakula kwa mdomo, kutafuniwa na kumezewa' = kufundishwa tabia mbaya! (Brokers - who you pay - can do this for you) Hakuna cha bure


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#76 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:05:05 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
And as much as you castigate the CMA, people should always take personal responsibility for their actions

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#77 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:17:58 PM
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#78 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:30:14 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
What would you have Britak include in the prospectus which was no there?

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Mainat
#79 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:53:52 PM
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Kausha/Kihangeri, may I welcome you to Kenya. Kenya is blessed with healthy productive people (growing at 1million per year). Please help yourself to some of our chai.
Kenya has a CAPITALIST economy. This means I bring something to the market, you bring your money (shillings if possible unless you are from Somali) and we agree how much you'll pay for my something. Alternatively I put a marked price on my something and you have to decide whether its worth that price.

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youcan'tstopusnow
#80 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:25:33 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Kausha/Kihangeri, may I welcome you to Kenya. Kenya is blessed with healthy productive people (growing at 1million per year). Please help yourself to some of our chai.
Kenya has a CAPITALIST economy. This means I bring something to the market, you bring your money (shillings if possible unless you are from Somali) and we agree how much you'll pay for my something. Alternatively I put a marked price on my something and you have to decide whether its worth that price.

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