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Caramba wrote:Nabwire wrote:Is that the Physicist who claimed to be Atheist but right before his death recanted and claimed that God does exist in some dimension? God is real. Nabwire, Richard Dawkins is still very much alive!!  The professor now has a new mystery –WOMEN. http://www.dailymail.co....-Quantum-physicist.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I am surprised that some people here will pres scribe religion to their 'selves' and their children even when they doubt the truth of these religions just because religion is said to have good effect on society.
It's clear that these people have a deep fear that if people are not lied to life will be unbearable. That is they have to lie to their 'selves' to have 'peace.'
But how can such a persons be taken seriously when they disparage a kind of living that is comprised of love and trust and purpose?
Worse still are those who seek to establish the truth of religion through 'scientific' or 'scholarly' means. For the gates of the spiritual comprise of infinite interest by the self for its ennoblement and eternal being. They are asking the wrong questions and expecting the right answers.
Finally, Richard Dawkins is not Stephen Hawking.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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@Nabwire, there is no Atheist in a foxhole. Believers, has anyone ever wondered how "passionate" atheist are? they are just as zealous as others in spreading their beliefs. Can they just give us a break? Human beings believe because of their god-shaped hole and belief generates hope and hope makes us survive. without belief human beings would consume themselves. What prevents the poor from raiding the rich? if you told them that they have no hope and that the life they live is just that - human beings would become uncontrollable. I am a born again Christian, but one that has come to realize that all religions are useful (some may not be true) in structuring human behaviour. in the absence of religion human civilizations become increasingly hedonistic and selfish then destroys the family (the basic unit of society) then end up like the civilizations past (decadent then dead) and the Europe of now (dying but not even alive to that fact) All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@masukuma
To say that Buddha, Christ, or even Mohammed underwent their spiritual experiences to help in creating a stable society is an insult to religion and the spirituality of man.
You are wondering what stops the poor from raiding the rich; But who is it that is saying 'poor' or 'rich?'
Surely, my hope is not that one day I will be having a bank account with huge sums of money; but rather, my hope is that eventually I shall come into full consciousness and unity with the entire universe and all the force that there is.
And Christ assures anyone who is interested of this.
To say that humans love to keep society stable is to profess a big lie.
I am sorry to say this, but you've just relegated Christianity to a form of paganism.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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tycho wrote:@masukuma
To say that Buddha, Christ, or even Mohammed underwent their spiritual experiences to help in creating a stable society is an insult to religion and the spirituality of man.
You are wondering what stops the poor from raiding the rich; But who is it that is saying 'poor' or 'rich?'
Surely, my hope is not that one day I will be having a bank account with huge sums of money; but rather, my hope is that eventually I shall come into full consciousness and unity with the entire universe and all the force that there is.
And Christ assures anyone who is interested of this.
To say that humans love to keep society stable is to profess a big lie.
I am sorry to say this, but you've just relegated Christianity to a form of paganism.
Sorry for butting in but I could not resist the highlighted phrase. Why am I interested? Because you in a few words state that you believe in pantheism that also incorporates evolution in it. So it is surprising you have taken it upon yourself defend Christianity and its creationism. Throwing in, for example, the the word 'Christ' is trying to pull wool over our eyes. Ati Christ means: A state of mind or consciousness of "oneness" with All That Is based on Divine Truth. There are 3 Christs. Firstly, the historic Christ Jesus of Nazareth who attained the Christ consciousness; secondly, our Christ Self that exists within the spiritual heavens and is our personal inner teacher that guides us through intuition and higher thought; and thirdly, the Christ Mind, which is the Collective Christ Consciousness and is, symbolically, the Son of God. Ukweli isemwe!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@YesuWangu,
Let the wool fall off your eyes, for I am not a defender of Christianity as such, but of faith in particular.
By faith I mean the process of, and being in relationship with God through the transformation of the egoic-self to the Divine Self. This is the truth of my belief in evolution.
Was it Francis Schaeffer that equated 'Pantheism' to 'All-Godism?' All the same, the truth of my faith is that everywhere I look I see God. Everything is from Him, everything is in Him.
On what, or rather Who, is the foundation of my faith? All the '3 Christs' you've mentioned; who are also, paradoxically, the One Christ.
Ukweli wangu, umesemwa.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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tycho wrote:@YesuWangu,
Let the wool fall off your eyes, for I am not a defender of Christianity as such, but of faith in particular.
By faith I mean the process of, and being in relationship with God through the transformation of the egoic-self to the Divine Self. This is the truth of my belief in evolution.
Was it Francis Schaeffer that equated 'Pantheism' to 'All-Godism?' All the same, the truth of my faith is that everywhere I look I see God. Everything is from Him, everything is in Him.
On what, or rather Who, is the foundation of my faith? All the '3 Christs' you've mentioned; who are also, paradoxically, the One Christ.
Ukweli wangu, umesemwa.
Hmm. I see. Now I understand your position.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@YesuWangu,
I am filled with joy to learn that our conversation has borne understanding. For I too have understood you.
And thank you for helping me 'work out' my faith.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/27/2010 Posts: 266 Location: Nairobi
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Thiong'o wrote:Caramba wrote:Nabwire wrote:Is that the Physicist who claimed to be Atheist but right before his death recanted and claimed that God does exist in some dimension? God is real. Nabwire, Richard Dawkins is still very much alive!! The professor now has a new mystery –WOMEN. http://www.dailymail.co....-Quantum-physicist.html
Are you confusing Richard Dawkins with Stephen Hawking?
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/27/2010 Posts: 266 Location: Nairobi
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On another vein, is God unhappy with an African becoming pope? (The Star article,11-Jan-2012, pg 22). It is common knowledge that Cardinal Arinze (Nigeria) was rigged out during the last election.
I shudder to imagine the reaction of caucasian catholics the day a black man becomes the head of the catholic church.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/14/2011 Posts: 661
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Caramba wrote:Thiong'o wrote:Caramba wrote:Nabwire wrote:Is that the Physicist who claimed to be Atheist but right before his death recanted and claimed that God does exist in some dimension? God is real. Nabwire, Richard Dawkins is still very much alive!! The professor now has a new mystery –WOMEN. http://www.dailymail.co....-Quantum-physicist.html
Are you confusing Richard Dawkins with Stephen Hawking? @ Caramba, True, I did; Richard Dawkins and Stephen Hawking are not same, however their views on God and Universe are similar if not same. Richard Dawkins http://richarddawkins.ne...s-book-the-god-delusion
http://backreaction.blog...elusion-by-richard.html
Stephen Hawking http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/html/home.html
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/16/2011 Posts: 59
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The good professor-Hawkins celebrated his 70 birthday,last weekend.The effort he has put into the understanding of the formation of the universe must be lauded. However,it goes to show how the scientific method cannot be relied upon to provide an explanation to every phenomenon including women. Quote:Surely, my hope is not that one day I will be having a bank account with huge sums of money; but rather, my hope is that eventually I shall come into full consciousness and unity with the entire universe and all the force that there is. @Tycho, Are you talking about becoming one with this universe or any other?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@scout_boy,
The scientific method alone cannot provide a comprehensive understanding of the universe or universes -if per chance- they happen to be many. Neither does philosophy alone, or even religion alone.
But there is a wisdom higher than these mentioned above that is given to them that are infinitely interested and have faith. It is this wisdom that I seek in my journey of faith.
As for the universe that I am alluding to then I have this to say:if there is only one universe, then I am talking of that universe. However, if there are many, then I am speaking about all of them.
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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I want to make it clear, I believe some supernatural powers exist in some form or way, call it God or whetever you wanna call it, but, yes but, what if it is not the one they talk about in church everyday? Look at how our churches are, look at the influence of money and power run the church, I am saying this because my uncle is a very important person in our church, he gets the front sit everyday, I know it ain't about Jesus, he has alot of Money and thats why he gets the front sit!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Drunkard wrote:I want to make it clear, I believe some supernatural powers exist in some form or way, call it God or whetever you wanna call it, but, yes but, what if it is not the one they talk about in church everyday? Look at how our churches are, look at the influence of money and power run the church, I am saying this because my uncle is a very important person in our church, he gets the front sit everyday, I know it ain't about Jesus, he has alot of Money and thats why he gets the front sit! Each person must take account of himself. That's the inescapable fact. It is that radical individual that stands who is the Church: 'the temple.' Everyone has been guaranteed infinite happiness, infinite glory! The Kingdom belongs to the faithful! The bold.
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