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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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seppuku wrote:McReggae wrote:poundfoolish wrote:before tax for me
.....the gaament should tithe the part they tax!!!! Hmm, interesting way to think about it... Anyway, I personally find organized religion too rigid, granted that what constitutes right and wrong is fairly obvious to most people. To me, service to man is service to God. However, if you are a christian believer who fellowships at a given church, I think you're obliged to donate some of your money to help run it. How you relate that with what the bible has to say about tithing and/or offering depends on how you consume the good book as a whole. Some people take everything literally, word for word. Others attempt to contextualize. Most do both to varying degrees. I simply attempt to be a fair, honest and productive human being! @Seppuku, I think I agree with you 100%, people worry so much about serving God through the church structures while it is obvious that service to man is service to God, help your neighbor instead of sending money to Vatican or to a pastor to buy flashy cars. I think most people are brainwashed by the churches and the pastors, I have never tithed all my life, why shoud I? I believe in a supernatural being a creatore of human but why would someone hand me a book, pick a few verses and ask me for my money? I am a good man, I am not a killer otherwise I woould be in jail, I am not a thieve otherwise I wouldn't have a job, I alway give a few cash to the homeless guy across the street so that he doesn't break into my Car, I do not throw trash because I like my neighborhood clean, I do not break the law because I will lose my job if I do that, I am emotionally stable and happy with everything and if I am not happy with my situation I do not sit and pray and wait for some supernatural God to figure things out for me, I get up and sort my stuff out, so why should I go to church and hand out money?
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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kingfisher wrote:mukiha wrote:And now to the touchy subject of church leaders/pastors suspected of thieving from the tithe. My advice is: if you suspect that the pastor at your church is dishonest, don't stop giving your tithe!
Instead, stop going to that church and join a different one where you can trust the leadership. You have no business giving God's money to some one you don't trust! @mukiha.... must you tithe in the church? I don't think so!! Secondly... supposing the white man did not come here with both the bible and the gun, could this tithing talk be there? This matter is about yourself and your God. There are people who do a lot for the poor, sick, needy, etc outside tithing system than whole church systems. So its a matter of your conscience with God. End of story. And what about if the bible is a collection of fiction stories from genius writer of those day and the church is a big ponzi scheme with the pastor or the pope sitting on top of the pyramid?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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jemimah thiongo once sung something in the song...UMBEA... asking.. "wewe hutoa ngapi kati ya sadaka ama zako zaliwa zingali mfukoni?" if you don't tithe don't contribute All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 1,793
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mukiha wrote:kenmac wrote:for those who tithe, do you calculate it before or after tax? In businesses, do you calculate on total revenue or after deducting expenses. God simply wants you to give back 10% of what you get from him. Don't go complicating matters by asking whether it is before or after tax, before or after expenses (for business people) etc. you know what you get from God, don't you? Then work out a tenth and give back. It's really that simple. If you don't know how much God gives you, then you are either an ignorant idiot, or you have absolutely no intention of giving back...that's why you are asking for formulas!
Remember, God loves the cheerful giver... not the one who is looking for a mathematical formula that will ensure he/she gives no more and no less. come srowry. I give back to the society once in a while, this was just an argument i had in mind after reading that giving more or less than the ten percent is not tithing.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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I think saying that Christians must tithe takes away the true spirit of cheerful giving and substitutes it with mandatory payment. In the book of Acts, we see Christians giving much more than the tithe but going to the extent of selling their property in order to give to the church and the poor. We do not get a mention of the tithe yet they give much more! scout_boy wrote:Giving includes tithing ,offering etc.
Tithing predates the Law of Moses,as Abraham gave 10% of his gain to Melchizedek the High priest.Consequently,it should be followed in the days of grace.
10% should be viewed like an acknowledgement note, indicating one has received the 100% intact.
Remember ,Christ praised the woman who gave the two coins ,the only thing she had,simply because she gave from the heart.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/5/2007 Posts: 332
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masukuma wrote:jemimah thiongo once sung something in the song...UMBEA... asking..
"wewe hutoa ngapi kati ya sadaka ama zako zaliwa zingali mfukoni?"
if you don't tithe don't contribute Kama mtu hana ng'ombe, asitoe maoni kwenye mkutano wa cattle dip 
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Rank: Hello Joined: 12/4/2011 Posts: 9
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Dear brothers and sisters, why should we limit ourselves to giving 10%? Many Christians get so hung up on the idea of giving 10% that it becomes a religious act that does nothing to please God. Hence the debate on whether to 'tithe from gross or net income'. What God loves most is a cheerful giver: 'Whatever you give is acceptable if you give it eagerly. And give according to what you have, not what you don't have'.(2 Cor 8:12)
It is possible for one to tithe and feel so satisfied (Nimelipa deni ya mwezi huu) that they overlook other people who may be in real need.
We are saved by God's grace and not by our works, and certainly not how much we give.
God loves a cheerful giver, regardless of the ammount (doesn't have to be money, can be anything we own).
One more thing, giving does not have to be to the church for it to please God. Jesus repeatedly talked of giving to the needy (Mathew 6 and many others). Any kind of cheerful giving is service to God, regardless of whom you're giving to.
Even so, it is our duty as followers of Christ to take care of our local churches by giving to them as much as we are able to. After all, they have many expenses to meet: salaries, rent, utilities etc.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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Asanteni for the discussion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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kenmac wrote:for those who tithe, do you calculate it before or after tax? In businesses, do you calculate on total revenue or after deducting expenses. is this the pastor who was showing off on bullseye asking his followers "mumeona ile chuma nimeingia nayo"? isn't that vomiting on the very hands that feed him?i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 1,793
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