This guy was only a part of the system which includes you and me. You don't expect our leaders to be clean when we, the voters, are as dirty as the next sewer system.

Am sure we are going to vote in the same fat cats have been presiding over our rotten government. Let us start with me and you.

If the reality has not started sinking in yet, look at the new AG, others are yet to be tested. It is a cartel of the elite all over again. Don't blame Kivuitu at all. He did what he was hired to do or what his consciouse guided him to do. Are we together on this?

Under similar circumstances, Kuvuitu would repeat the same over again.

Tuko tu , we have just decided not to argue with a clever person, lest people will not notice the difference and by the way I (talking on my behalf) do alot of research and thinking before posting anything here.Only that I cannot purport to know -it-all as some of us here pass off.

If you think Kivuitu is/was a hero , I think we just live in very different worlds .None of us is either right or wrong.we are just in different worlds with different definitions and standards of what heroism is so you don't have to work too hard to justify your point.

Having won 6/8 provinces with the other two candidates each sharing one of the remaining provinces, why would this happen?

@nostop, there was going to be violence regardless who won. If you listened to street talk in Nairobi long before the polls you would know what I mean. Guys planning how they would loot and take over property belonging to Kikuyus. On 30th when Raila was leading it was already chaotic with Kikuyus being threatened in Eldoret. Some goons had seized property here in Nairobi. Kivuitu is right in 1 undebatable thing:there was no justification for the madness by ODM supporters.

A fallacy. One of the cheap fat lies peddled to justify the chaos. This is where I miss njugunajohn. Dude had hard facts.

@mwanahewa, no one is intent on justifying violence...that was unacceptable, but as @ put it, this thing was planned...Hague is getting us the answer of "by who? " I doubt ni fallacy ...we'll revisit...wacha tuvuke mwaka as you wait for your @njugunajohn...

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@Nostop...

So, the assumption is that Raila won in 6 provinces out of 8 while Kibs and Kalonzo won in one province each. Someone said, we have two different worldviews of Kenya. Unless am mistaken, a presidential candidate required only 25% votes in a province to have it counted in his favour. That means 3 if not 4 presidential candidates could qualify in a province. I.e., It practically could happen that Kibaki could have qualified in seven provinces while at the same time Kalonzo qualify in eight provinces while Raila qualifies in all the provinces plus mijinjo.

On the other hand, some fool argues that Kibs would not have gotten more votes than 'Mugabe Were' in Embakasi. That is unbridled 8-4-4 mental reasoning capacity. 164,000 registered voters had a choice of more than 5 candidates. One from ODM and the others mainly from PNU. If Mugabe got 50000 votes and the other five PNU affiliate candidates got 80000 combined, how many would you expect voted for Raila and how many voted for Kibaki?

We can view issues differently but from whatever angle you look at a cow, a cow is a cow is a cow. Period. Lies can not be warped to appear like the truth and then we start saying that is the truth. It means our IQ is too law to see through a white lie and a bogus rumour.

People who do not appreciate proper research have a tendency of using rumours and lies as a premise of their argument, a problem ailing Africa for so long.

Until we embrace Research and Development, we will continue using second hand rented reasoning capacity that is tainted with lies and rumours.

Did you know that it is only in African that children learn in a foreign language.

Copied and pasted from link below.

Participants concluded that African languages were a necessary choice for the new century: “Let us return to our African identities! Let us not persist in our colonial past!” pleaded one of the ministers.

However, reservations continued to be expressed by the most senior education planners from a
variety of countries who had lived through the challenges of language change in the curriculum and who were familiar with the opposition on take-up of African languages in schools.

A minister recalled a parent in a village saying to her: “It’s not skill in his mother tongue which makes a child succeed in life, but how much English he knows. Is it going to be one type of school for the rich and another for the poor? At the end of the day we are expected to pass examinations in English!

http://www.adeanet.org/a.../Ouga/B3_1_MTBLE_en.pdf

Copy this. We need not rekindle old flames. We must move on and forgive. Most of us were affected directly or indirectly. I resolved to preach peace always coz yenyewe I'll never want to see what I saw. There was really no justification to kill a fellow kenyan however agrieved anyone felt. We may chose to blame Kivuitu, the violence planners and financiers, the executors etc, but we will never recover the lost lives.

We will never recover lost lives but we can bring the perpetrators to book. I and my family can only forgive the perpetrators who come forth to seek forgiveness. Otherwise, we still have hyenas in government who act as it nothing happened when we know all along that they had a strategy made by a committee of demons who wanted to see the kikuyu wiped out.

Then you accuse kivuitu for all that befell the country after 2007 and later take Arap Sang to ICC instead of the nyef nyef devil and claim all is well. Someone must be using his rear end for thinking faculties.

Lets not argue about some inner circle stealing the elections.. that one is as open as day and night.. a plan hatched way in September.

The little i know is this.. in some areas one presidential candidates tallies were lowered while the others were added.. what was read in the tally centres is not what arrived at KICC if A had 30,000 votes and B had 15000 votes then A's would be reduced to 25,000 votes while B's picked to 18 thousand votes...

Then some areas were saved for last.. just to add up the final margin required to put the final nail..

dont quote me but who ever won in 07 won by a margin of only tens of thousands of votes.. more than 50,000 to give you all a rough idea..

Hata kama ni mimi, singekubali kushindwa na kura elfu hamsini..
Lets be real!!! "No way, José."