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reithi
#11 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:47:00 PM
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Allow me to hijack the thread since the topic of hospitals for children has surfaced cause I simply have to share my experiences.

I would strongly recommend you avoid Nairobi Hospital and Gertrudes,Nairobi West at all costs.

About six months ago,I took my son to Gertrudes with stomach and vomiting problems. The young doctor sent us to the lab but the results were negative. What does the doctor do? She decides that he has a viral stomach and gives him loads of antibiotics and other drugs. I advised my son not to take the drugs and took him to a Pediatrician later that evening. It turned out he had an upset tummy. No drugs required.

More recently,I took him to Nairobi early in the morning with a bad cough. The doctor checked him out and came out with a bombshell that he was suffering from chronic asthma. He prescribed an inhaler,cough syrup (yes,one which is among the banned stuff). I questioned the doctor because he has never had a history of asthma but he refuses to budge. Again,I decided to seek a second opinion with the Pediatrician. It turns out the young man is as fit as a fiddle. He was faking the cough to avoid going to school cause he had not finished his maths homework. A bit of counselling and all was well.

After hearing numerous similar cases,I now have serious doubts about the calibre of doctors in our major hospitals.

reithi
Wallyak
#12 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2009 7:07:00 AM
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Thanks a lot for the advice. I believe I can be able to make informed choices.

@ reithi
I have never tried my daughter with a major hospital but I always recommend paediatricians for kids. I think it is better you stick to your paediatrician rather than take him to a major hospital to see a GP. Word of advice. If you live in Buru there is this doctor called Dr. Achola in a clinic that is at the corner next to the first stage in Phase Four. 600 consultation and good quality work. He was my paediatrician and is my daughter's also and so far so good.

Apart from the Medical Insurance,I think you guys can also advice on other good paediatricians for our kids. Please mention price also.
Djinn
#13 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2009 7:24:00 AM
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@reithi - thanks for sharing that experience. I am a firm believer in always asking questions and though it may seem unfair,to always treat a young doctor as inexperienced prior to putting you kid's life in his hands. We have all seen or heard of the horror stories that result when we assume the doctor ALWAYS knows what they are doing. Most times these graduates are 'text book' practitioners when it comes to both diagnosis and prescription. Most do not think out of the box and rely largely on clinical diagnosis (symptoms) which lead to a standard prescription. BTW Reithi,for a viral infection (any) there is no treatment,except for the symptoms (which is why HIV is a big battle). Usually tho body fights them off on its own but needs peripheral support (fluids,nutrition,etc) to sustain the white cell battle. Antibiotics are for bacterial infections. With children there are two common viral infections esp from 6 months to abt 3 years - rota and adeno (both present vomiting,diarrhea and fever) and just require some support (if severe,even admission is needed and the child is put on a drip since it will NOT retain any fluids owing to the diarrhea and vomiting). Rota can be fatal if ignored.


An incident I recall at Gertrudes when I took our daughter there when she was abt 6 months old - she had conjuctivitis and the 'cadet' doctor prescribed Tetracycline without blinking - I felt it might be too harsh for such a young child and requested to see a superior - the superior changed the prescription to a more gentle antibiotic called garamycin. I could see the superior was going to chew off that doctor's ears.


Anyway,everybody - do lets not allow ourselves or our children to be guinea pigs that help these doctors gain experience - here is the thing,while we walk away with horror tales,they are left with experience on what not do do. Its the same with cars - when you take your car to a garage where some apprenctices are put to work on it (spanner boys) - they do not give a flying _uck whether they break stuff - thats how they learn. You conttibute to their learning and PAY for it. With kids you can never let this happen.

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tom_boy
#14 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2009 7:28:00 AM
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No,Akowally,its 18k per annum for an inpatient cover of 6 million plus personal accident cover of 1million

@djinn and Reithi.... please dont be holier than thou.............. which of you was born skilled and with excellent knowledge about your current income generating activity. Life is about learning. We start learning from the moment we leave mummies womb mpaka the day we enter the grave. That paediatrician you are running to was once a young 'cadet'. If we all bash the young doctors where will the paediatricians of tommorow come from. By the way,even the experienced doctors make mistakes and patients die from those mistakes and thats a fact.

Rather than be paranoid about young doctors and approach them with your guard up which in turn causes them to be anxious/apprehensive,why not be nice to them and seek to understand what condition your child is suffering from and what the drugs are meant to do. This will avoid comments like '...was suffering from a viral infection and he gave us antibiotics' and the most ridiculous in my opinion ' tetracycline is a harsh antibiotic and gave her garamycin which is milder...' On what basis did you arrive at this conclusion my friend.



Rather than spending all your time reading about the future and trying to figure the nuances of what is it might hold,may be you should spend at least as much time getting to know Him better (David Jeremiah)
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Djinn
#15 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2009 8:35:00 AM
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@tom_boy - tetracycline is a grainy ointment - even adults get irritated by it. Garamycin comes in liquid drops. Very simple logic. And its curative capabilities are much higher per cc. Therefore instead of sticking shut an infants eyes with abt 2 cm of ointment - one drop does the work. Does that sound sensible? And the other thing is this - all we are advocating is for the newbies to be more diligent and change their approach and attitude to diagnisis and not rely entirely on textbooks as most do. This is true of lawyers,architects,etc. I think I have more experience with a child's illnesses as a parent for 10 years than a newbie doctor - dispute that! And we should not just sit back like zombies rather be involved in the process - just like with learning we do not leave schooling entirely to teachers but intervene from time to time before its too late. Question to Tom_boy - do YOU have kids?

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Euge
#16 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2009 9:01:00 AM
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For kids,its always advisable for them to see the same padeatrician constantly. This is because kids like people in ICU are silent patients. They cannot say what they feel.

Our daughter was reacting to Motilium a drug that prevents vomiting. Her knee and ankle joints would swell. Before we realized it was reaction to the drug,I took her to Aga Khan padeatric section and a young doctor told me that its likely to be Arthritis and suggested admission. I refused,saw a doctor who used to treat us when we were young in Thika and they discovered it was a reaction to motilium.

That was the last I saw of Aga Khan in 2005!
Lord, thank you!
McReggae
#17 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29:00 AM
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All these hospitals have these young inexperienced doctors so dont just banish the name of a whole health institution jusy coz one cadet messed you up.........for the kids,visit my grandma kule upcountry and you will not regret it!!!!

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CLK
#18 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2009 1:44:00 PM
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@Tom-Boy,kindly answer Djinn's questions,do u have any kids?
I once visited Getrudes,my daughter had a cough but only early in the morning,the cadet there asked me to give her honey and keep her warm no medication,i did this but after one week the cough was worse,took her back,another cadet said she has an allergy probably due to change in whether,decided to give her an anti-histamine or something and a cough syrup,by the time i was getting to the pharmacy two other drugs were in that list,i asked why,she said she suspects an infection and to be safe,she was recommending an anti-biotic,i asked her how she arrived at that conclusion,she said i was free not to take the antibiotic with me,i chose not to take the drug,the cough went away,.
Thanks all for sharing your experiences,and whoever who advocates for people being given a chance to experiment,what were they doing in med skul? We all have jobs,and mark u if i restart a server without approval from anyone and our clients cannot get teh services they need i will be shown the door,and even wen there is approval,i am expected to make sure nothing goes wrong.

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reithi
#19 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2009 6:30:00 PM
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@ tom_boy

With all due respect,its seems you are defending mediocrity. We are discussing health matters where wrong diagnosis can have serious consequences in some cases.

The hospitals are required to employ trained and experienced medical professionals. Thats why they are called health institutions,hospitals but employ inexperienced doctors to cut on cost. If the so called doctors can make such glaring mistakes,then one is better off visiting the quacks etc. Why go to Nairobi,Aga Khan,Gertrudes if they cannot get it right?

We all make mistakes but from personal experience and those of my friends,the casualty departments at these hospitals are constantly gambling with lives of children.

reithi
Kamaa
#20 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2009 8:04:00 PM
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@tom_boy

if you are blessed with a kid,and he/she get sick,you will agree with me that you can cede anything to get the sick child back to good health.. so what do you do to a doctor who an oblivious to you is trying to exercise some 'college theories' to your kid esp when the issue at hand is grave? if you are a parent you will not just sit and watch a doctor experiment some theories with your kid.. unless you want us to see you in tv stations pleading with the KMDB..

you've heard me..
When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend
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