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Nd'ung'u rated the worst central banker in Africa in 2011
Mainat
#1 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:55:03 AM
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He scored 3.1 out of 10.
http://af.reuters.com/ar...s/idAFL5E7MT4HT20111205

Imho, for our economy to grow consistently there are 5 things we must perform at 8 out of 10
-Politics, ushamba politics always end lead to ushamba economy where you appoint fellow mother tongue speakers instead of very competent/proven citizens
-ICT
-Law (need good CJ/AG combo)
-Agriculture
-FinMin/CBK combo has to be strategic thinkers with great understanding of applied economics but independent
Sehemu ndio nyumba
QW25081985
#2 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:56:42 AM
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i think this new title shld come infront of the prof . title , lol
Sober
#3 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:06:52 AM
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But few investors have enjoyed the ride. One analyst
described Ndung'u as "asleep at the wheel" and another said he
had "missed the plot entirely".
more is yet to come... i preferred Jacinta Mwatela over this boy.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
Sober
#4 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:10:21 AM
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there are worse records as compared to Professor's
http://www.newsfromafric...a/articles/art_1281.html
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
mkonomtupu
#5 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:27:14 AM
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a well-deserved award

IMHO for our economy to turn around we need to sort out the land issues ASAP, this economy has always done well when land was sorted out, GoK needs to streamline issues of access to land and land use planning(turning coffee farms into real estate really?), invest in state of the art land registries, consolidate small unviable holdings, end land speculation by bringing in the capital gains tax on land.

Agriculture- they need to sort food security in major cities, they should build a proper futures market with big warehouses like the ones in Amsterdam and do away with ushamba ones like wakulima market. You ensure stable prices for food in the cities and stable prices for producers. A lot of the cash spent on speculating on plots could be loaned to farmers who with guaranteed markets will pay with interest and a lot of idlers can go back to do farming.

Security- we need our police forces as well equipped(transport, communication gear) and professional as the KDF

Nairobi City council- it's unbelievable that a city with a population of 5m and generating half of Kenya GDP can only raise 7-10 billion in revenue. sort out the engine of growth and the rest of the car will move.
tony stark
#6 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:00:58 AM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
a well-deserved award

IMHO for our economy to turn around we need to sort out the land issues ASAP, this economy has always done well when land was sorted out, GoK needs to streamline issues of access to land and land use planning(turning coffee farms into real estate really?), invest in state of the art land registries, consolidate small unviable holdings, end land speculation by bringing in the capital gains tax on land.

Agriculture- they need to sort food security in major cities, they should build a proper futures market with big warehouses like the ones in Amsterdam and do away with ushamba ones like wakulima market. You ensure stable prices for food in the cities and stable prices for producers. A lot of the cash spent on speculating on plots could be loaned to farmers who with guaranteed markets will pay with interest and a lot of idlers can go back to do farming.

Security- we need our police forces as well equipped(transport, communication gear) and professional as the KDF

Nairobi City council- it's unbelievable that a city with a population of 5m and generating half of Kenya GDP can only raise 7-10 billion in revenue. sort out the engine of growth and the rest of the car will move.


Sorry how will sorting out the land issues improve the economy. Will it reduce inflation, increase exports, or stabilize the shilling. I believe you are blowing this out of proportion.

In ndungu defence all the things you have mentioned have nothing at all to do with him. I do not think the cbk ndungu is the same as the ndungu for ndungu land report so obviously h cant sort out land, ndungu probably doesnt seat at defence committees nor is he a councilor in the NCC. Therefore I think you can absolve ndungu.

Ndungu hands are tied and I agree his action might have been very slow but he probably did not have enough information to act.
accelriskconsult
#7 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:12:09 AM
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Mainat wrote:
He scored 3.1 out of 10.
http://af.reuters.com/ar...s/idAFL5E7MT4HT20111205

Imho, for our economy to grow consistently there are 5 things we must perform at 8 out of 10
-Politics, ushamba politics always end lead to ushamba economy where you appoint fellow mother tongue speakers instead of very competent/proven citizens
-ICT
-Law (need good CJ/AG combo)
-Agriculture
-FinMin/CBK combo has to be strategic thinkers with great understanding of applied economics but independent



Professionals should also take their work seriously. I dare say that the politicians wouldnt be messing this country as badly if professionals including engineers, lawyers, accountants and doctors took their work seriously. Behind every major scandal that we have witnessed is a professional who has sworn to abide by a code of ethics specific to his or her trade.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#8 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:17:44 AM
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The Kibaki Era which performed so well over the last 10 years seems to be bringing down the curtain and the house with it. I hope its not some ochestrated move to benefit a few.

That score against Ndungu has been well earned. the prof has ruined many livelyhoods with his incompetence.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
accelriskconsult
#9 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:18:32 AM
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tony stark wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
a well-deserved award

IMHO for our economy to turn around we need to sort out the land issues ASAP, this economy has always done well when land was sorted out, GoK needs to streamline issues of access to land and land use planning(turning coffee farms into real estate really?), invest in state of the art land registries, consolidate small unviable holdings, end land speculation by bringing in the capital gains tax on land.

Agriculture- they need to sort food security in major cities, they should build a proper futures market with big warehouses like the ones in Amsterdam and do away with ushamba ones like wakulima market. You ensure stable prices for food in the cities and stable prices for producers. A lot of the cash spent on speculating on plots could be loaned to farmers who with guaranteed markets will pay with interest and a lot of idlers can go back to do farming.

Security- we need our police forces as well equipped(transport, communication gear) and professional as the KDF

Nairobi City council- it's unbelievable that a city with a population of 5m and generating half of Kenya GDP can only raise 7-10 billion in revenue. sort out the engine of growth and the rest of the car will move.


Sorry how will sorting out the land issues improve the economy. Will it reduce inflation, increase exports, or stabilize the shilling. I believe you are blowing this out of proportion.

In ndungu defence all the things you have mentioned have nothing at all to do with him. I do not think the cbk ndungu is the same as the ndungu for ndungu land report so obviously h cant sort out land, ndungu probably doesnt seat at defence committees nor is he a councilor in the NCC. Therefore I think you can absolve ndungu.

Ndungu hands are tied and I agree his action might have been very slow but he probably did not have enough information to act.



Mkonomtupu's comments aside, the Reuters article is spot on about Ndungu's delayed monetary policy responses and erroneous analysis. He fully deserved his worst central banker rating!
KulaRaha
#10 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:19:23 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The Kibaki Era which performed so well over the last 10 years seems to be bringing down the curtain and the house with it. I hope its not some ochestrated move to benefit a few.

That score against Ndungu has been well earned. the prof has ruined many livelyhoods with his incompetence.


Ndungu is a twit. He deserves that rating, perhaps even lower.

this is what happens when you hire academics from your tribe instead of seasoned bankers.
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QD
#11 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:58:46 PM
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Ndungu is just not serious, as he raised the CBR to 18% he has offloadede the cash they have been feverently mopping out of the market in the last few weeks back to the commercial banks.

by last week the overnight lending rate was high as 35% and after the offload the rates have dropped to around 18%.

this guy has created a window for commercial banks to milk the common mwanainchi dry as the bank will continue peddling the rates have been raised while they are enjoying cheap sources of capital however short term it is.

who will save wanjiku,en was supprised to hear james mwangi say rates will come down by june, what factors did he/they concider and not march??
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ecstacy
#12 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:09:35 PM
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2011 exposed his weaknesses. For all his failings, instead of ridiculing the Professor let us however not forget as the article says:

""No other central bank governor in Africa has done as much
for financial inclusion," said Razia Khan, head of Africa
research at Standard Chartered in London.


"In terms of innovation, falling rates of financial
exclusion, the reach of microfinance banks and mobile banking
Kenya is streets ahead, even compared with South Africa."


He lost the plot this year and as such the ranking is fair. However let as be fair to the man in the overall picture as he fought the banks and positively impacted on Kenya for generations to come!!

Let him and his future successor learn from both his failures AND successes.
GGK
#13 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:12:03 PM
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Agree,

Too bad that his earlier success to expand reach of financial services goes down this way.

Hi poor reading of the policy shift demand has proved to be his Achilles’ heel.

The earlier he vacates Haile Selassie Avenue the better
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Cde Monomotapa
#14 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:25:12 PM
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:-P
2012
#15 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:20:29 PM
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Surely if you are the worst at anything in Africa then automatically you are the worst in the world.
I'm no expert but I remember the good prof assuring us that when it rains the inflation will go down, it's been raining elephants and everything is still going up! But I'm surprised the parliamentary finance committee has not summoned this guy to ask him how he has single-handedly managed to screw the economy of a country.

BBI will solve it
:)
kizee1
#16 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:22:25 PM
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2012 wrote:
Surely if you are the worst in anything in Africa then automatically you are the worst in the world.
I'm no expert but I remember the good prof assuring us that when it rains the inflation will go down, it's been raining elephants and everything is still going up! But I'm surprised the parliamentary finance committee has not summoned this guy to ask him how he has single-handedly managed to screw the economy of a country.



what if ndungu actually knew what he was doing? there are people gaining from the mes he made, seems like an orderly mess if u ask me
Cde Monomotapa
#17 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:40:26 PM
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Frankly, many of us here have built and grown our asset columns under his tenure. Vindicating such a man esp.on items out his control is uncalled for. Ama?
Obi 1 Kanobi
#18 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:32:25 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Frankly, many of us here have built and grown our asset columns under his tenure. Vindicating such a man esp.on items out his control is uncalled for. Ama?


In your opinion who is controlling 'these items' he is being compared with his peers and has been found to be wanting.

Its especially embarassing that the governor of a country like Zambia could be rated better.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Cde Monomotapa
#19 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 5:31:21 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Frankly, many of us here have built and grown our asset columns under his tenure. Vindicating such a man esp.on items out his control is uncalled for. Ama?


In your opinion who is controlling 'these items' he is being compared with his peers and has been found to be wanting.

Its especially embarassing that the governor of a country like Zambia could be rated better.

Rated better by what yardstick...Rain maker? Farmer? Oil producer or market maker? Custodian of fiscal policy? (PS Kinyua/UK)
mwekez@ji
#20 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:08:26 PM
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On the same weighing scale Uganda scored 6.9 while our Ndung'u could only manage 3.1. This should awake him to reality
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