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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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9% use personal cars for transport at what percentage of the traffic????......almost 50% meaning that it if you deal with this lot then you are addressing a big chunk of the problem!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/8/2007 Posts: 675
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Don't know if this has been mentioned before... Found an interesting site showing the progress on Thika Rd.. http://thikaroad.tk/ Form is temporary, class is permanent
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Rank: Hello Joined: 11/22/2010 Posts: 1 Location: Nairobi
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Hi Wazuans. Finally am a member. To celebrate, i would like to contribute to Mukiha's observation. I do agree with you, but only 50%. Reason being,present day Outering Road is usually a nightmare,yet it was constructed as a bypass to ease traffic flow from the Airport across to the other side of Thika Road.I do not want to sound like a pessimist but these by passes were designed years ago. The time it has take to acquire funding from the kina world Bank etc has seen transport dynamics change drastically.So i believe more thought should have gone into the redesigning of the bypasses.
However with the Thika road expansion,i beg to differ with you.traffic flow in thika road will be greatly enhanced once the expansion is done. and while railway would help,it will take years to restructure.we do not expect thika road users to suffer all the while as we await for a railway.
look at it this way,when the government finally puts up an efficient railway system,we will have a choice between the road and the railway.then you will choose.it will be a win win for all of us. thought
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/30/2010 Posts: 4 Location: nairobi
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yekeyeke wrote:Wale hawataki thika road to be expanded can go jump. We dont want a railway. A metro maybe.
Mukiha and the others can go stay in london if they so want.
dont be ignorant, thats your opinion, say i dnt want a railway; your rudeness potrays you as a not so learned fellow, dnt argue with emotions its not wise;
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 93
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I oppose the motion that says 'Thika Road Expansion was a mistake coz I believe experts planned for it with good reasons. Other busy roads also need expansion coz road transport is here to stay.
@yekeyeke This is just a discussion and our views will not change the status quo. No one is stopping the Thika road project.
Hold your balls man and wazua soberly and in a respectful manner.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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Upgrading the railway line might not be a solution. The Shs. 26B being spent on the road is a one off. Railway lines are expensive to build and maintain. The government gave RVR the concession because Kenya Railways was a heavy burden to it's budget. Britain privatised the railway lines in the late eighties only for the companies to hand back the rail as being uneconomical. Maintainance of the same was poor and this led to several accidents leading to a national outcry. Compartive costs between a road and a rail system are needed taking into account the cost in use.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/3/2010 Posts: 1,141 Location: Londokwe
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[quote=mukiha]If they had asked me, I'd have suggested that we spend all that money in improving the railway link between Thika and Nairobi. The problem is not the size of the road; it is the number of cars using it. The way to reduce this number is to provide an good alternative to road transportation. Watch this space: as soon as the expanded highway is opened, the traffic jams will return. Simple reason being that people will have moved from Nairobi to Thika enmase Have you seen the developments going on along this highway...all waiting for it to open?[/uquote] mukiha may be right on this.thika road and nairobi still remains a parking lot on weekdays.as long as we have nyayo uhuru university r/abouts jams will go nowhere. 2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 761 Location: Nairobi
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'user' wrote:[quote=mukiha]If they had asked me, I'd have suggested that we spend all that money in improving the railway link between Thika and Nairobi.
The problem is not the size of the road; it is the number of cars using it. The way to reduce this number is to provide an good alternative to road transportation.
Watch this space: as soon as the expanded highway is opened, the traffic jams will return. Simple reason being that people will have moved from Nairobi to Thika enmase
Have you seen the developments going on along this highway...all waiting for it to open?[/uquote] mukiha may be right on this.thika road and nairobi still remains a parking lot on weekdays.as long as we have nyayo uhuru university r/abouts jams will go nowhere. Am thinking the road will assist in a big way esp due to the many outlets for traffic en route to CBD. Some traffic will leave the highway via muthaiga, others via forest road, park road, ngara etc meaning the so many vehicles will get distributed towards CBD. Notice also the Chiromo roundabout is no more so vehicles heading to Westie and beyond via waiyaki way will just use forest road and drop at waiyaki way. I also think we need to eliminate the other major round abouts (read GPO, Haile Sellasie, Nyayo, City Stadium etc When I admire the wonder of a sunset or the beauty of the moon, my soul expands in worship of the Creator.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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@Marty & @User: Regarding those roundabouts; what would you replace them with? Flyovers? We must be careful not to respond to a mosquito bite with a hammer! Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767
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@Mukiha, kudos for thinking outside the box. I agree with you 100%. This country needs strategies that will reduce number of cars on the roads without affecting efficiency. Thika road and all these by passes will do the exact opposite on both counts. Another big govt blunder is allowing mitumba cars. This only helps japs get rid of their waste cars and drains our forex through fuel, spares , direct purchase etc. A greater evil is that Kenyan infrastructure dev. has been the opportunity cost of mitumba cars. Our gava is greedy and shortsighted. Qsn - which individuals stand to benefit the most from thika rd project? Whose land or lands have literally been opened up by thika rd project and by passes? (and I don t mean the 'wanjikus' along thika rd). They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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Guys, either way, all nairobi environs will eventually be congested, road expansion or not! The fix lies in a multi-prong approach to solving congestion not refusing to take the first steps into developing infrastructure!!! geez. The highways still need to be expanded with roundabouts knocked up (an engineers problem not tax-payers) & aggressively pursue by-passes without relenting to public pressure, the metro-rails built as is in the CURRENT planning & implementation, decentralize government services and pursue satellite cities like Konza. Give credit where it is due for once.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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It wasnt a mistake. We should now be talking of how we can improve the rail transport, which, I think, is in the pipeline. Its like saying 'I shouldnt have bought the TV, I should have taken the fridge instead' and yet u still need both in the end. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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With the Lamu project coming up, Isiolo's status will change. Most of the goods to Nairobi will pass through Isiolo as Mombasa has now exceeded its capacity. A dual carriageway is planned for the whole stretch. The other issues is roads are not built to serve us now, but to serve for he next25 or 50 years depending on the design life.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/17/2008 Posts: 1,234
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ecstacy wrote:Guys, either way, all nairobi environs will eventually be congested, road expansion or not! The fix lies in a multi-prong approach to solving congestion not refusing to take the first steps into developing infrastructure!!! geez. The highways still need to be expanded with roundabouts knocked up (an engineers problem not tax-payers) & aggressively pursue by-passes without relenting to public pressure, the metro-rails built as is in the CURRENT planning & implementation, decentralize government services and pursue satellite cities like Konza. Give credit where it is due for once. You have spoken like 10 wise women!
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/16/2010 Posts: 149 Location: hapa Kenya
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simonkabz wrote:I just wish the expansion included the pot-holed crowded Kenol-Makutano section....too busy as meru and nyeri highway traffic converge here. i have noticed those markers on trees and on fence posts that indicate road markings almost done on all before road construction and rumours once held that there is a dual carriage way coming. when i do not know i repeat these are rumours(dont lynch me)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/3/2010 Posts: 1,141 Location: Londokwe
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amga wrote:simonkabz wrote:I just wish the expansion included the pot-holed crowded Kenol-Makutano section....too busy as meru and nyeri highway traffic converge here. i have noticed those markers on trees and on fence posts that indicate road markings almost done on all before road construction and rumours once held that there is a dual carriage way coming. when i do not know i repeat these are rumours(dont lynch me) I heard some rumors on my way to londokwe some time back.people saying that thika road is a political project aimed at giving some counties a headstart.saw an article on daily nation on the same rumors later too. 2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
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Rank: Hello Joined: 11/29/2011 Posts: 1
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How I wish something could be done quickly on The Uhuru Highway, Outering Road and Southern Bypass. The full benefit of Thika Road would be realized. Am sure the CBD is not the final destination of all those coming from Thika. It reminds me of taking 3.5hrs driving from Kisumu to Westlands and then 1.5hrs from Westlands to Imara Daima due to the Jam.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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amga wrote:simonkabz wrote:I just wish the expansion included the pot-holed crowded Kenol-Makutano section....too busy as meru and nyeri highway traffic converge here. i have noticed those markers on trees and on fence posts that indicate road markings almost done on all before road construction and rumours once held that there is a dual carriage way coming. when i do not know i repeat these are rumours(dont lynch me) It is not a rumour any more Kenol-Marua section of A2 will be a dual carriage road in the future. An advert was in the papers for Feasibility Study, Environmental and Socio–Economic Impact Studies and Detailed Engineering Design for Dualling ff Kenol – Sagana – Marua Road (A2). "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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'user' wrote:amga wrote:simonkabz wrote:I just wish the expansion included the pot-holed crowded Kenol-Makutano section....too busy as meru and nyeri highway traffic converge here. i have noticed those markers on trees and on fence posts that indicate road markings almost done on all before road construction and rumours once held that there is a dual carriage way coming. when i do not know i repeat these are rumours(dont lynch me) I heard some rumors on my way to londokwe some time back.people saying that thika road is a political project aimed at giving some counties a headstart.saw an article on daily nation on the same rumors later too. The cancer eating this country remains tribalism. Having driven extensively on kenyan roads, Thika road project was long overdue, being the busiest in east n central Africa. The risk of the noble project getting unfair tribal n political tags runs high though. The appaling state of some other very important roads really irks me. Voi-Taveta, Eld-Ktl, Wby-Ksm, Ktl-S.Sudan, Outering, juja rd....Thank God most of them are soon to be given a facelift. BTW, the recently completed Sagana-Marua highway (A2) is now full of potholes barely 2yrs later, courtesy of one Kirinyaga Construction. ABK. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Alphie_O'makalwala wrote:How I wish something could be done quickly on The Uhuru Highway, Outering Road and Southern Bypass. The full benefit of Thika Road would be realized. Am sure the CBD is not the final destination of all those coming from Thika. It reminds me of taking 3.5hrs driving from Kisumu to Westlands and then 1.5hrs from Westlands to Imara Daima due to the Jam. Were you driving a Buggati-Veyron or something close to that, and you must have been driving between midnight and 3am and Kenya must have been under a state of emergency! Again the road must have been very straight with no corners at all. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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