Wazua
»
Investor
»
Stocks
»
Sameer Africa - Scraping the bottom of the barrel!!!
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
|
Apologies for the long-windedness but please read and be the judge!
My ire has been pricked by underweight's thread to the effect that Sameer is about to take off at supersonic speed. These are the sort of hunches that Seles has been railing about. Our market has a lot of unsophisticated investors,who will probably buy on the basis of such a thread. To call a spade a spade,there are far too many examples we can cite to show how many suckers have been conned like this in the past.
Sameer is a share that is normally thinly traded. If it goes up that will be the main reason and NOT anything else. Moreover,even the 500,000 shares traded today equates to only Kshs 2.5m. I cannot of course discount the possibility that someone will pump it and then dump it onto some unsuspecting novices. And then for a while,underweight will probably claim credit for prophesying its upturn. Some people will of course make some money – no doubt about that! It may give a good return for a little while,but let us compare notes this time next year and analyse it against the rest of the market. Woe betide those who will buy it the top of the curve. Just remember; A rising tide may lift all boats but when the tide recedes,some boats will be left floundering painfully aground.
If you were in the market a couple of years ago,you might remember when Sameer was pushed to 'stratospheric' levels (Kshs 38 or so) together with Sasini (Kshs 30 after adjusting for the split) to facilitate the entry of NEveready into the market. We all know what has happened since.
Last year’s EPS was Kshs 0.54,so in theory it is reasonably priced at a historical PE of 9.23. However,in truth,Sameer has been one of the worst performing and most inconsistent shares in the last 15 years on the NSE. IPO was at Kshs 34 (someone please confirm this). Has only ever given one bonus (1:2 in 1998),no split and as for dividends – it is more a case of now you see them now you don’t. Note that turnover went down by 12.7% in 2008 against 2007. A decline in revenue is normally an even worse sign than decreased profitability unless there is a very good explanation. After tax profits increased by 27%,- off a low base (but I hardly ever trust profit figures that are accompanied by a negative cash position and no dividend).
Can you imagine in 2004,this company had a turnover of Kshs 3,270,254,000 (2008 – Kshs 3,026,747,000) and PAT of Kshs 275,170,000 (2008 – Kshs 150,848,000)? By comparison,Car & General in the same year had a turnover of Kshs 629,100,000 (2008 – Kshs 2,997,332,000) and PAT of Kshs 37,430,000 (2008 – Kshs 211,644,000). There are others where the comparatives are even more astounding but I cite C&G since they are in a related line of business. Does Sameer sound like a share that has ever been on FIRE or is going anywhere,other than being given a short-term suckers push?
Sameer Africa (the tyre company) has NEVER had any shares in KDN. It does however have a 25% share in Sameer Business Park. The total investment in this venture is Kshs 140,000,000 which had a loss of Kshs 2,974,000 in 2008. Sameer Africa also has a fully owned subsidiary called Sameer Industrial Park,which provides facilities for manufacturing and other activities,with an investment of Kshs 120m. One wonders why these should actually be two different companies one essentially owns property used for manufacturing and the EPZ. The other is the new venture for the business park. Complicated structures in my experience send out red flags.
Bottom line is that unless something radically different happens at Sameer,any outsize returns will be short-lived. I cannot see the Kshs 140m investment at Sameer Business Park (out of a total shareholders equity of Kshs 2,135,566,000) proving to be the magic elixir. It is simply too small a piece of the pie.
Opportunity calls but few respond.
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 4/19/2007 Posts: 68
|
Eish.... kumbe pple went to school!
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
|
... never dozed while they were there(in school). How does SAMEER compare with sister NEveready? Hotels will always serve the fruits/vegs of the season. In stocks,ur duty as a trader is to identify the HOTshare of the season. The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 11/13/2006 Posts: 94
|
@ Mwanahisa, I agree with you I saw guys conned into buying Kapchorua after it was hyped up here only for it to start falling after hitting a high of 135/=. I know guys who are still holding on to the share at it's current price
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 12/31/2008 Posts: 90
|
Hapa kweli iko maneno.
Men occasionally stumble over the truth,but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 1/25/2009 Posts: 184 Location: For now El-Fashier - Darfur
|
@ mwanahisa... Seems like you were once beaten hence the shyness in this counter. You even admitted it that it might be propped up and be dumped to unexperienced shareholders. But does it hurt if U are in the ride and exit with your good percentage gains?? Am boarding today at Market price and exit in a months time..... As one stock kenya contributer puts it 'be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when other are fearful' A fool and his money are soon a big party "A bad decision made now is beta that a good one made later!!"
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 4/17/2009 Posts: 194
|
@MH. I got into this share in the good old days at Kshs 15 and sold it for Kshs 31 within like less than three weeks. Easiest money,I ever made. I agree with your analysis. But only for the long term. Point is there will always be suckers and money to be made from them. That's where we come in.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
|
@Nyari. I think the reasons for the price rise in the case of Kapchorua are actually different from those for Sameer. Remember when Kapchorua moved to 135,the likes of Jubilee and KPLC were trading at over Kshs 400 and even Barclays had traded at about Kshs 100 after the split. I believe these rose in line with the bull market that was then prevailing. And at the time their profits were also growing at a reasonably quick pace.
In the case of Sameer and Sasini,there was absolutely no change in fundamentals. And the rise coincided rather suspiciously with the Eveready IPO.
Opportunity calls but few respond.
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 1/25/2009 Posts: 184 Location: For now El-Fashier - Darfur
|
@ mwanahisa... Seems like you were once beaten hence the shyness in this counter. You even admitted it that it might be propped up and be dumped to unexperienced shareholders. But does it hurt if U are in the ride and exit with your good percentage gains?? Am boarding today at Market price and exit in a months time..... As one stock kenya contributer puts it 'be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when other are fearful' A fool and his money are soon a big party "A bad decision made now is beta that a good one made later!!"
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
|
@underweight. No,this has been one of those crap shares that I have avoided over the years and as it turns out this has been a wise decision. My investment philosophy has always been to trade on the basis of well researched information. That does not mean that I have not made my mistakes. Far too many indeed - but not on FIRE.
I agree we are all in this business to make money,and we are all entitled to make it in the best way we know how. However,I object to false information being used as a basis of hyping up a share. As for you picking up Sameer,do go ahead. You may even make some money from it,but if you do,attribute it to the low base effect and the momentum of a rising market,not to some new venture for which you have no evidence.
Opportunity calls but few respond.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
|
@mwanahisa......i like ua argument and analysis,looks like the difference between u and underweight is that one of u is an investor the other a speculator. NEVER HONOUR A PROMISE THAT PUTS YOU AT A DISADVANTAGE!!! IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 1/11/2008 Posts: 121
|
i'm soo in on this bus- gambling and yes i know....you win some n lose some but this is strictly short term...very short term. less is more for Architects only!! Less is more....for Architects only!!
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 4/17/2009 Posts: 194
|
@Kishindo. Hiyo ndiyo spirit. Making money does not require superior intelligence - just guts! Hardly anyone will note a 50 cents rise - 10% in the case of Sameer. After 2 or 3 such sessions,we will be out having made 20%+ and who knows - Merali might just help us out and make this 50%. Who wants to drink to that? Come one,come all.
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 6/3/2006 Posts: 553
|
does this really apply to traders/speculators? 'be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when other are fearful' The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie. The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 4/17/2009 Posts: 194
|
@underweight. Ope you are already overweight on MOTO...Supply has completely dried out on both Normal and Prompt boards....about 55,000 shares dealt with latest trade at 5.50. Best bid at 5.20 - not being supplied....Might be an interesting ride.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
|
If you are new to NSE,you would be excused,but hey,nobody teaches you how to do it.Let us know when the monkey will be sitting pretty on your lap. Yombo dhier....!! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
|
@Njunge. That's a rather cryptic comment. Care to elaborate?
Opportunity calls but few respond.
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 6/18/2009 Posts: 15
|
Savy drivers whose agenda is to take their own trips & make apology to the passagers.
muthitho
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 11/13/2006 Posts: 94
|
Did the white man ever come back to offload the monkeys from the villagers laps? lmao
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/13/2008 Posts: 1,565
|
mwanahisa - regarding Njunge's comments,look in the archives on a thread about 'trading 101' or something - or just search for the word 'monkey' - its a pretty good analogy of tge stock market.
The problem with equality is that we desire that it be with those that have more than us rather that those that have less
|
|
Wazua
»
Investor
»
Stocks
»
Sameer Africa - Scraping the bottom of the barrel!!!
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
|