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GenghisCapitalLtd
#1 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 1:23:54 PM

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KRA have heard the people's cry of rising cost of living due to the unbearable 18.9% inflation. The fact that borrowing has become expensive makes matters even worse. KRA have decided to review their tax brackets (last time this was done was in 2005) with the results released in July 2012. Their intention is to increase Kenyan's disposable incomes and potentially reduce the pressure on employers. I would like your views on this; is this a welcome solution? Why did it take too long to review the tax brackets? Frankly I am glad, just need to persevere for the next few months Sad .
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#2 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 1:34:45 PM
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GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
KRA have heard the people's cry of rising cost of living due to the unbearable 18.9% inflation. The fact that borrowing has become expensive makes matters even worse. KRA have decided to review their tax brackets (last time this was done was in 2005) with the results released in July 2012. Their intention is to increase Kenyan's disposable incomes and potentially reduce the pressure on employers. I would like your views on this; is this a welcome solution? Why did it take too long to review the tax brackets? Frankly I am glad, just need to persevere for the next few months Sad .


Before I also say thank you or give my thoughts, what are the proposed changes/reviews?
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#3 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 2:04:25 PM

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Jamani wrote:
GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
KRA have heard the people's cry of rising cost of living due to the unbearable 18.9% inflation. The fact that borrowing has become expensive makes matters even worse. KRA have decided to review their tax brackets (last time this was done was in 2005) with the results released in July 2012. Their intention is to increase Kenyan's disposable incomes and potentially reduce the pressure on employers. I would like your views on this; is this a welcome solution? Why did it take too long to review the tax brackets? Frankly I am glad, just need to persevere for the next few months Sad .


Before I also say thank you or give my thoughts, what are the proposed changes/reviews?

Deliberations are ongoing but the big picture is they want to make sure not too many people are caught up in the 30% tax bracket which has a floor of 38K therefore they want to increase the maximum non-taxed income to above the current 13K. I'm seriously crossing my fingers Pray
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#4 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 2:09:34 PM
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http://www.businessdaily...4/-/cp5flo/-/index.html

Treasury has been keen to raise the minimum monthly taxable income to Sh18,000 and raise the maximum cap that attracts the maximum tax rate of 30 per cent to Sh60,000.

Lakini some counterproductive proposals are on the way for VAT..
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#5 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 2:27:47 PM
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I highly doubt this will be a one way bet unless Muigai has lost it completely. The right hand will give and the left hand will take...
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#6 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 2:44:07 PM
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Mainat wrote:
I highly doubt this will be a one way bet unless Muigai has lost it completely. The right hand will give and the left hand will take...

via VAT smile
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#7 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 5:01:29 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Mainat wrote:
I highly doubt this will be a one way bet unless Muigai has lost it completely. The right hand will give and the left hand will take...

via VAT smile

VAT has been known to be the best way of collecting tax as it covers all irrespective of their income.
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#8 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 6:09:51 PM
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@GenghisCapitalLtd, I also wonder why it took this long or is it political targetting to benefit UK. If not so why not have the changes from Jan 2012 and not Jan 2013!? O'wise it's a welcome move but we are not all that patient.
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#9 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 6:16:36 PM
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Tommy wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Mainat wrote:
I highly doubt this will be a one way bet unless Muigai has lost it completely. The right hand will give and the left hand will take...

via VAT smile

VAT has been known to be the best way of collecting tax as it covers all irrespective of their income.

U r right on the money...
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#10 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 6:44:54 PM
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I expected the opposite from the govt. With increased govt expenditure to cater for a more complicated govt structure(county govts, 2 parliament houses etc), I doubt this will be implemented.
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#11 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 8:55:10 PM
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too little....too late, bearing in mind that the last review of tax brackets/personal relief was eons ago... the little benefit we will now obtain was 'consumed' long ago by inflation!

In my view what is required is a radical, perhaps even revolutionary rethinking on how and who we tax, how much and when.

Again in my view the PAYE thresh-hold should be raised to around Kshs. 40k per month, with one hitting the top rate at about 200k per month.

Top rate of personal tax should be capped at around 22% and corporate tax at around 25%.

This will put more money in our pockets (and those of corporates), which should then spur consumption, savings and employment. It will perhaps also discourage evasion, which has become a cottage industry in itself! Has the media not given us the perception that the offshore arrangements of CMC directors/managers is largely a tax evasion scheme?

VAT can then go up to say 20% - more efficient to collect and administer (and we really won't feel that much of a pinch as we have more money in our pockets).

It really beats me when trade unions (Atwoli et al) always seem to agitate for higher wages but never for lower taxes - when they would achieve the same thing for workers. Similarly, FKE wants wages kept down - but we're yet to hear them lobbying the government for lower personal and corporate taxes!

The job of government (among other things)would then be to ensure price stability (at least for the basics) and maintain the cost of living within reasonable parameters...

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#12 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 9:26:34 PM
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@Elephant man, completely on point.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:03:25 AM
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@Elephant Man... but isn't the Govt doing everything possible to reduce the amount of Kenya Shillings we have in our hands via the increased CBR rates.. and consequently increased lending rates??? I don't think increased consumption is their goal right now (at least not in the short term)
GenghisCapitalLtd
#14 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:06:55 AM

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jerry wrote:
@GenghisCapitalLtd, I also wonder why it took this long or is it political targetting to benefit UK. If not so why not have the changes from Jan 2012 and not Jan 2013!? O'wise it's a welcome move but we are not all that patient.

I wholeheartedly agree with you but the reason why they will decide in July is that's their end year and they want to implement the new rates in a fresh period and not disrupt the current year. Let's just wait and see but hoping for the best Pray
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GenghisCapitalLtd
#15 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:09:50 AM

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mozenrat wrote:
@Elephant Man... but isn't the Govt doing everything possible to reduce the amount of Kenya Shillings we have in our hands via the increased CBR rates.. and consequently increased lending rates??? I don't think increased consumption is their goal right now (at least not in the short term)

Their short term goal is definitely not to increase consumption but to tame inflation as well as stabilie the shilling. The new tax brackets will be initialised in July 2012 thus ample time to review macroeconomic activities as the MPC meet monthly.
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Elephant Man
#16 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:20:58 AM
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@ Genghis, firstly, i'm not an economist. How do you propose the gava spurs the economy? The way I read the situation, inflation is currently being imported (via high fuel prices/weaker shilling), not by effective demand for domestically produced goods and services. The question should be will having more people in the tax net paying less per person in taxes increase inflationary pressure?

What I am saying is that we've worked for many years without a real increment from the government (via reduced taxation)while being hit by inflation.

My point is that KRA are still finding it a challenge to widen the tax net, while gava continues to fritter away the little that they do collect on dubious projects such as Anglo-fleecing etc.

The answer in my view is to develop an effective strategy to widen the net, spend judiciously, then gava can collect less from more people.

We must accept that currently the tax burden is on too few persons (both individual and corporate). When you lessen the burden, you may then attract and 'capture' those outside the net. This, in my view, should not have an adverse impact on inflation.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:35:59 PM
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Elephant Man wrote:
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The answer in my view is to develop an effective strategy to widen the net, spend judiciously, then gava can collect less from more people.

We must accept that currently the tax burden is on too few persons (both individual and corporate). When you lessen the burden, you may then attract and 'capture' those outside the net. This, in my view, should not have an adverse impact on inflation.


Good arguments @Elephant Man...

Only way govt can do that is spur investment locally...for that, you have to spend a bit more in the short term to achieve the long term goal
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:58:24 PM
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GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
I don't think increased consumption is their goal right now (at least not in the short term)
Their short term goal is definitely not to increase consumption but to tame inflation as well as stabilie the shilling.


@Genghis I am of the opinion that the current inflation scenario and weak shilling are supply driven..
I fail to understand how an attack on the consumer will tame these problems!
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#19 Posted : Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:57:31 PM
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Raising the maximum taxable salary will not affect the middle class citizens like me and McReggae.
Now at 38K gross, the highest they could go is may be 50K.
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