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The Red Plate superiority menace
Ms Mkenya
#1 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 4:24:30 PM
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Red plates have always been known to be abrasive on the road due to some 'superiority' they feel but there is an 'uprising' among the Kenyans now who are feeling they cannot stand the way they behave.


http://www.google.com/ba...ad?tid=7b8f6f3ae2090136

https://www.facebook.com/groups/.../groups/140381839397139/

....above all, to stand.
Dash
#2 Posted : Friday, November 11, 2011 6:17:19 PM
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I love the positive action in this group. No hurling insults and what not, just sober minded people taking action into their own hands
Njung'e
#3 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:32:03 AM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
Red plates have always been known to be abrasive on the road due to some 'superiority' they feel but there is an 'uprising' among the Kenyans now who are feeling they cannot stand the way they behave.



@MsKenya,
After reading what Robert went through,let me be honest.I am a man and i have the right to defend my dignity,that of my wife and kids.I would do one honourable thing and a big favour.Get a gun and hunt that b*tch and KILL HER.Sad
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For Sport
#4 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:26:21 AM
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Also pretty pissed after reading his story.
Diplomatic immunity should not be used to shield common criminals who abuse the laws in a host country. Diplomats should conduct themselves with some sense of decorum and not drive around with that "better than thou" attitude towards locals and other people in their host country.

How does one start the process of requesting for a waiver of immunity for purposes of prosecuting a law breaker? I hope this case will not go away until the mission and the b@%# do the right thing.
muganda
#5 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:01:58 PM
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@Njunge distressing read; by foreigners in your own country
I see nothing has happened yet...

Story by a witness Me Myself and I: Diplomatic Road Rage

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Njung'e
#6 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2011 3:59:38 PM
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muganda wrote:
@Njunge distressing read; by foreigners in your own country
I see nothing has happened yet...

Story by a witness Me Myself and I: Diplomatic Road Rage

18CD17K Canadian High Comission


VERY DISTRESSING.....How about delivering this to the Canadian PM? (Extreme?....I don't think).I have his e-address.
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Spend.thrift
#7 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:19:53 AM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
Red plates have always been known to be abrasive on the road due to some 'superiority' they feel but there is an 'uprising' among the Kenyans now who are feeling they cannot stand the way they behave.


http://www.google.com/ba...ad?tid=7b8f6f3ae2090136

https://www.facebook.com/groups/.../groups/140381839397139/




Sad tale. But remember this is a single story and there is always the danger of a single story.

Red, blue, black, White, Yellow, GK, KM or green plate, you must realise that anyone who drives does that as an individual and therefore the actions of one lady in a red plated car should not be used to cast a whole community into disrepute. Many of those red plate cars are usually in the hands of Kenyans employed by the missions or inter governmental organisations.

Just like there are matatu drivers who will display a rare show of courtesy and care for his/ her passengers and other road users, there is bound to be a diplomatic community member who is bound to display extreme levels of mental instability on the roads-besides alcohol and other substance abuse is not altogether to be ruled out.

We should deal with these cases on a case by case basis.
Ms Mkenya
#8 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 9:24:25 AM
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Spend.thrift wrote:


Sad tale. But remember this is a single story and there is always the danger of a single story.

We should deal with these cases on a case by case basis.


@Spendthrift, if you check what the Facebook group is doing, it is just that. Treating it as a one off case, and being civil about it.

Whereas the drivers take personal responsibility, just like company drivers, the organizations they represent should also take responsibility.

In any case, the truth is that these red plates have harassed many of us on the roads, its just that we do not quite speak or act and in this case it was extreme. That said, this is one case being dealt with as that. One case.

@Guka, I think the PM's email would be helpful in this case. The embassy collected the information but has not acted on anything else.
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Njung'e
#9 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 9:41:33 AM
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MsKenya,

pm@pm.gc.ca.


and he is on "twira"


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mukiha
#10 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 9:45:43 AM
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What I find amusing in this list (http://www.google.com/baraza/en/thread?tid=7b8f6f3ae2090136) is that Britain was the 22nd nation to recognise Kenya's independence... Quite telling, don't you think?

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Spend.thrift
#11 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 9:56:22 AM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
Spend.thrift wrote:


Sad tale. But remember this is a single story and there is always the danger of a single story.

We should deal with these cases on a case by case basis.


@Spendthrift, if you check what the Facebook group is doing, it is just that. Treating it as a one off case, and being civil about it.

Whereas the drivers take personal responsibility, just like company drivers, the organizations they represent should also take responsibility.

In any case, the truth is that these red plates have harassed many of us on the roads, its just that we do not quite speak or act and in this case it was extreme. That said, this is one case being dealt with as that. One case.

@Guka, I think the PM's email would be helpful in this case. The embassy collected the information but has not acted on anything else.



And so you think emailing the Canadian PM will help. How about emailing your own PM to alert him of the misdemeanours of your fellow citizens?
Njung'e
#12 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 10:06:46 AM
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Spend.thrift wrote:
[quote=Ms Mkenya]
And so you think emailing the Canadian PM will help. How about emailing your own PM to alert him of the misdemeanours of your fellow citizens?


How is it your business if it helps or it doesn't?...or better still,what is in it for you?


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YesuWangu
#13 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 10:10:01 AM
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Make note of the time, place, date etc. Even pictures of the act can be useful.

Enough embarrassment raised can cause action.
RVP
#14 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 10:31:54 AM
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True. Would play a small part in deterring future potential offenders. Embarrassment cost the Naija ambassador his posting in Kenya though he might have been innocent. Majority of Canadians are good peoples and might not want to keep incountry someone attracting unnecessary negative publicity.

YesuWangu wrote:
Make note of the time, place, date etc. Even pictures of the act can be useful.

Enough embarrassment raised can cause action.

Spend.thrift
#15 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 10:39:13 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
Spend.thrift wrote:
[quote=Ms Mkenya]
And so you think emailing the Canadian PM will help. How about emailing your own PM to alert him of the misdemeanours of your fellow citizens?


How is it your business if it helps or it doesn't?...or better still,what is in it for you?



Guka. Ok lets all stop the hyperventilation. I will.

There is nothing in for me and I'm sure this is pretty clear to you. What I would say instead is that the aggrieved person, not the persons who have read this on facebook should contact the police and report. Did they expect action from an embassy security staff? In fact there is a diplomatic police unit within the Kenya police ( check the Kenya Police website for contacts) which can be reached if no response is reached. Do national of other countries where Kenyans have moved to write to our high offiices when the Kenyans are involved in traffic or other offences.

Unless you can prove that the behaviour of one employee is orgnaisational policy, writing to the PM is an overkill.

And in my very honest opinion, Ms Kenya's claim that red plated cars are driven abbrasively is false. In most cases, defensive (mwenye nguvu mpishe) driving skills are employed.
Magigi
#16 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 10:54:43 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
Ms Mkenya wrote:
Red plates have always been known to be abrasive on the road due to some 'superiority' they feel but there is an 'uprising' among the Kenyans now who are feeling they cannot stand the way they behave.



@MsKenya,
After reading what Robert went through,let me be honest.I am a man and i have the right to defend my dignity,that of my wife and kids.I would do one honourable thing and a big favour.Get a gun and hunt that b*tch and KILL HER.Sad


So... On Sunday I took a drive to the Nairobi National Park. At the gate, I bumped into an 18 CD dude, complete with wife and child/children -plus the obligatory SUV (No, not Robert Macharia's wife's attacker). Anyway, as I was walking to my car, I stopped, turned around and decided to engage the dude. I went back to him and asked him politely -"Excuse me, are you driving the 18 CD that's parked over there?" -He replied, Yes. I was like, "Are you by any chance Canadian?" -With a big smile, the dude replied with an Emphatic "Yes" ... I then smiled and asked -"So, you are the people who think it is in order to crash into our wives and children?" .... I left him hugely embarrassed, face red ... I hope he went back and advised his wife not to prang any Africans .. smile

...I dont get it here...Age is catching with me pretty fast...Call it senility... @Guka explain please
Njung'e
#17 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 11:02:39 AM
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@Spend-thrift,
If you have read and understood the article,all that you are asking for has been done yet there has been no action (The way i understand it,a simple apology from that bi*ch would have sufficed)......Two,someone hits your car,backs up and hits the car again and then zooms off,is that a traffic offence as you put it?....If you ask me,this borders on racism,colour or both.This,my friend,is unacceptable and it warrants the attention of everybody,including the Canadian PM.
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chemos
#18 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 11:20:08 AM
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Magigi wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
Ms Mkenya wrote:
Red plates have always been known to be abrasive on the road due to some 'superiority' they feel but there is an 'uprising' among the Kenyans now who are feeling they cannot stand the way they behave.



@MsKenya,
After reading what Robert went through,let me be honest.I am a man and i have the right to defend my dignity,that of my wife and kids.I would do one honourable thing and a big favour.Get a gun and hunt that b*tch and KILL HER.Sad


So... On Sunday I took a drive to the Nairobi National Park. At the gate, I bumped into an 18 CD dude, complete with wife and child/children -plus the obligatory SUV (No, not Robert Macharia's wife's attacker). Anyway, as I was walking to my car, I stopped, turned around and decided to engage the dude. I went back to him and asked him politely -"Excuse me, are you driving the 18 CD that's parked over there?" -He replied, Yes. I was like, "Are you by any chance Canadian?" -With a big smile, the dude replied with an Emphatic "Yes" ... I then smiled and asked -"So, you are the people who think it is in order to crash into our wives and children?" .... I left him hugely embarrassed, face red ... I hope he went back and advised his wife not to prang any Africans .. smile

...I dont get it here...Age is catching with me pretty fast...Call it senility... @Guka explain please



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muganda
#19 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 11:23:53 AM
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@Njung'e we are being too diplomatic to 'uncouth diplomats' here. Respectfuly @Spend.thrift, your sentiments are quite level headed particularly because your wife was not the one in the car.

If you were Kenya's ambassador to Canada (let alone ambassadorial staff) and you were so careless towards a Canadian citizen, you would have already been sent home!

I would sue the Ambassador and Canadian Embassy under a certificate of urgency for damage to car, and violation of peace of mind. Even finding whether it is possible to have another case filed in the efficient Canadian courts.


Njung'e
#20 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2011 11:26:14 AM
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@Chemos,
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly.....You are lostsmile

@Muganda,
PolePray ....but i can guarantee you,if this happened to my wife and children,that bi*ch would be long forgottenSad Sad
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