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youcan'tstopusnow
#81 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:53:24 PM
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QW25081985 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
http://www.rich.co.ke/media/doc...End%20Year%20Results.pdf


There is something fishy about these results. I just can't put my finger on it. There is something going on.


@Aguy . are you saying they are cooked ??? lol


Overcooked or undercooked? Hehe
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#82 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:50:20 PM
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QW25081985 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
http://www.rich.co.ke/media/doc...End%20Year%20Results.pdf


There is something fishy about these results. I just can't put my finger on it. There is something going on.


@Aguy . are you saying they are cooked ??? lol

i'm just wondering why they are increasing issued shares and issuing a bonus.
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#83 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:55:46 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
QW25081985 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
http://www.rich.co.ke/media/doc...End%20Year%20Results.pdf


There is something fishy about these results. I just can't put my finger on it. There is something going on.


@Aguy . are you saying they are cooked ??? lol


Overcooked or undercooked? Hehe

Am also confused here. Does 8 shillings divided translate to 0.35 shillings after split.
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#84 Posted : Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:35:41 AM
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When is the book closure for the bonus shares? Is it 16th dec or 28 feb..
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#85 Posted : Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:44:10 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:

i'm just wondering why they are increasing issued shares and issuing a bonus.


@Aguytrying do really you think that increasing issued shares and issuing a bonus are two seperate independent events???

When bonus shares are issued it leads to an increase in issued share capital of the company because new shares have been created and issued

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#86 Posted : Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:59:39 AM
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innovator wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
QW25081985 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
http://www.rich.co.ke/media/doc...End%20Year%20Results.pdf


There is something fishy about these results. I just can't put my finger on it. There is something going on.


@Aguy . are you saying they are cooked ??? lol


Overcooked or undercooked? Hehe

Am also confused here. Does 8 shillings divided translate to 0.35 shillings after split.


@ ycnt . am sure they were overcookd . they have all the elect to do that !!!!!!!!!!!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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#87 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:44:32 AM
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I have a strong hunch that KPLC 'under-reported' profits since GoK, ERC & Public are all anti-KPLC after the recent high electricity bills. Notice how KPLC announced the Results emphasizing EPS...

And the Rights Cash has not all been used up!
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#88 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:15:55 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:

i'm just wondering why they are increasing issued shares and issuing a bonus.


@Aguytrying do really you think that increasing issued shares and issuing a bonus are two seperate independent events???

When bonus shares are issued it leads to an increase in issued share capital of the company because new shares have been created and issued



You are quite right. However there are more shares that are going to be issued that are not for bonus.

issuing 690,012,491 shares at 2.50 per share. bonus shares- 216,829,672 in proportion of one ordinary share at 2.50 for every eight held.
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#89 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 10:41:53 AM
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People watch KPLC. With the attached bonus, up should be the only direction for this counter.

Given, book closure is a long way off 28th feb 2012. However, watch this space.
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#90 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 10:56:29 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
People watch KPLC. With the attached bonus, up should be the only direction for this counter.

Given, book closure is a long way off 28th feb 2012. However, watch this space.


smile smile how many time are we supposed to watch ...lol
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#91 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 11:12:23 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
You are quite right. However there are more shares that are going to be issued that are not for bonus.

issuing 690,012,491 shares at 2.50 per share. bonus shares- 216,829,672 in proportion of one ordinary share at 2.50 for every eight held.


The bonus is very generous and I agree it can only go up. My question though is - who or where are the ghost shares being created being allocated as this is not covered in the report they issued?

BBI will solve it :)
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#92 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 11:45:35 AM
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2012 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
You are quite right. However there are more shares that are going to be issued that are not for bonus.

issuing 690,012,491 shares at 2.50 per share. bonus shares- 216,829,672 in proportion of one ordinary share at 2.50 for every eight held.


The bonus is very generous and I agree it can only go up. My question though is - who or where are the ghost shares being created being allocated as this is not covered in the report they issued?


That is the same question that was on my mind when they released results. Though im happy im getting a bonus. I'm wondering why? and the extra shares??
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#93 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 11:47:25 AM
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QW25081985 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
People watch KPLC. With the attached bonus, up should be the only direction for this counter.

Given, book closure is a long way off 28th feb 2012. However, watch this space.


smile smile how many time are we supposed to watch ...lol


Watch just once, a long stare into the next 3-5yrs.
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#94 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 12:12:22 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
QW25081985 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
People watch KPLC. With the attached bonus, up should be the only direction for this counter.

Given, book closure is a long way off 28th feb 2012. However, watch this space.


smile smile how many time are we supposed to watch ...lol


Watch just once, a long stare into the next 3-5yrs.

How will the salary increase and hse allowances affect KP long term?
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#95 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 12:22:42 PM
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@ jerry. That is a concern, and not clear how it will affect KP long term. However if the growth continues as expected, It should water down any un-imagined effects.
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#96 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 9:11:08 PM
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In a rational market:
If kengen trades @ 10bob KPLC should be @ 35bob... or vice versa
If KPLC trades @ 18bob kengen should be @ 5bob...

I believe Mr market will provide us with one of these scenarios in the near future and I tend to think it will be the former.. So buckle up!!
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#97 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 9:24:38 PM
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guru267 wrote:
In a rational market:
If kengen trades @ 10bob KPLC should be @ 35bob... or vice versa
If KPLC trades @ 18bob kengen should be @ 5bob...

I believe Mr market will provide us with one of these scenarios in the near future and I tend to think it will be the former.. So buckle up!!

@Guru please explain the above(20 marks)
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#98 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 9:28:32 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:
guru267 wrote:
In a rational market:
If kengen trades @ 10bob KPLC should be @ 35bob... or vice versa
If KPLC trades @ 18bob kengen should be @ 5bob...

I believe Mr market will provide us with one of these scenarios in the near future and I tend to think it will be the former.. So buckle up!!

@Guru please explain the above(20 marks)
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#99 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 9:47:16 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:
guru267 wrote:
In a rational market:
If kengen trades @ 10bob KPLC should be @ 35bob... or vice versa
If KPLC trades @ 18bob kengen should be @ 5bob...

I believe Mr market will provide us with one of these scenarios in the near future and I tend to think it will be the former.. So buckle up!!

@Guru please explain the above(20 marks)

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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#100 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 9:49:00 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:

@Guru please explain the above(20 marks)


smile
With kplc @ 35 & kengen @ 10bob the stocks will have similar valuations on basis of Profits & book value.

I believe should happen this because.
1. Both are majority owned by GOK
2. Both have major expansion drive in place to boost earnings in the future.
3. Both have carried out major capital restructuring
4. Both are affected by similar risks and rewards specific to the power sector
5. Both currently depend on each other for their own existence/survival (one cannot exist without the other)
6. VISION 2030!!

Why must they be valued sooo differently??
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