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ARM 3Q 2011 profits down by 61%
FUNKY
#1 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 10:29:45 AM
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#2 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 10:35:48 AM
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The company did extremely well.. Let's just Pray for the kshs.. Pray
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#3 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 10:39:22 AM
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Mmm..it'll be interesting to see the mkts reaction to this smile
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#4 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 10:46:29 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Mmm..it'll be interesting to see the mkts reaction to this smile


The market always reacts to bad news. smile
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#5 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 10:48:23 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Mmm..it'll be interesting to see the mkts reaction to this smile


The market always reacts to bad news. smile

Let's see what to do with this BAD news ;-)
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#6 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 10:54:02 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Mmm..it'll be interesting to see the mkts reaction to this smile


The market always reacts to bad news. smile

Let's see what to do with this BAD news ;-)


In the link above it says, that the unrealized losses will be reversed if the shilling strengthens, that may confuse the market for a while. Esp that now the shilling is strengthening.
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stocksmaster
#7 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 11:06:37 AM
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A 61% fall in profits for a company trading at a P/E of above 20 and a dividend yield of about 1% is very bad news in a bear market.

A sub Ksh 100 price by the End of this Month is in the horizon.

Happy Hunting.
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#8 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 11:13:58 AM
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Interested to hear what @GenghisCapitalLtd politically correct viewpoint is?

Well said @stocksmaster, as always.
Why is the concept of hedging so foreign in Kenya? Yet CFO's perch atop coroprate hierachy.
stocksmaster wrote:
A 61% fall in profits for a company trading at a P/E of above 20 and a dividend yield of about 1% is very bad news in a bear market.

A sub Ksh 100 price by the End of this Month is in the horizon.

Happy Hunting.

Mainat
#9 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 11:28:04 AM
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Having seen East Africa Portland and KenGen go through this, how come Athi River didn't even try to hedge the fx risk?
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#10 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 11:39:06 AM
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Mainat wrote:
Having seen East Africa Portland and KenGen go through this, how come Athi River didn't even try to hedge the fx risk?


They had assumed that the USD Loan of 74.2M (FY 2010) was naturally hedged through its exports of its USD Denominated non-cement exports. As such,they assumed that the USD inflows should have covered for the USD interest payments. I think this assumption did not hold.

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#11 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 11:47:53 AM
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Stockmaster-that would only be true if its senior management discovered that they had an issue on 30th of September. The Ksh has been weakening since May...
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#12 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 12:08:00 PM
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The exchange losses won't impact on ARM's performance alone. Kestrel said the following about KenolKobil:
"While the company is 50 percent hedged on its dollar liabilities, we hold the view that there is high likelihood of significant forex losses in 2011 as a result of the depreciation of the shilling,"
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#13 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 12:43:21 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
The exchange losses won't impact on ARM's performance alone. Kestrel said the following about KenolKobil:
"While the company is 50 percent hedged on its dollar liabilities, we hold the view that there is high likelihood of significant forex losses in 2011 as a result of the depreciation of the shilling,"


True, but Segman as late as last month, being aware of the Q3 numbers for his company assured us that the company was on track to achieve its target of a Net profit of USD 35M for 2011. This was at the point the dollar was hitting historic highs against the local currency.

This means that KK is on track for an EPS of Ksh 2.35 for 2011. Even if his forecast is discounted downwards by 15%, it still gives an EPS of Ksh 2.0 (P/E of 5). I would gladly take a total dividend of Ksh 1 for 2011(Dividend yield of 10%) and a P/E of 5 for a company that is rapidly expanding in earnings.
The Projected EPS for 2012 are > Ksh 3 (Kestrel Capital projects 2012 EPS for KK to be Ksh 3.44).

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#14 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 1:04:59 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
The exchange losses won't impact on ARM's performance alone. Kestrel said the following about KenolKobil:
"While the company is 50 percent hedged on its dollar liabilities, we hold the view that there is high likelihood of significant forex losses in 2011 as a result of the depreciation of the shilling,"


True, but Segman as late as last month, being aware of the Q3 numbers for his company assured us that the company was on track to achieve its target of a Net profit of USD 35M for 2011. This was at the point the dollar was hitting historic highs against the local currency.

This means that KK is on track for an EPS of Ksh 2.35 for 2011. Even if his forecast is discounted downwards by 15%, it still gives an EPS of Ksh 2.0 (P/E of 5). I would gladly take a total dividend of Ksh 1 for 2011(Dividend yield of 10%) and a P/E of 5 for a company that is rapidly expanding in earnings.
The Projected EPS for 2012 are > Ksh 3 (Kestrel Capital projects 2012 EPS for KK to be Ksh 3.44).

Happy Hunting



This sounds like music to my ears.

I hope this doesn't trigger anything. smile
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sparkly
#15 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 2:01:41 PM
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Bloodbath coming. Of course some of the forex losses have to be realised, unless the kshs goes back to 80, or they don't repay the loans.
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#16 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 3:58:26 PM

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The ARM results have elicited a varied reaction from the investor public and I am loving the discussion. Let me share my two cents, the results were generally good considering the harsh economic environment. A 37% increase in its turnover is respectable and I expect this turnover to continually grow as the cement plant in Tanga and the grinding plant in Dar are expected to be operational next year.
The construction sector in Kenya is expected to continue to be a key pillar to drive this country towards Vision 2030. The continued spending infrastructure, real estate in Kenya then there's the newest country in Africa who need to build their infrastructure necessitating ARM to strategise on a regional basis which it is doing so professionally.
I will expect activity on the counter to pick up based on the results, don't expect too much downward pressure or pull back as its core business is still strong and viable.

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#17 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 4:37:53 PM
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i can't believe the sharing is rose today, nevertheless.
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#18 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 4:46:31 PM
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Maybe the share rose because Mr. Market understood that ARM performed well. The profits were down to exchange losses and not because of poor performance.
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#19 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 7:09:31 PM
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sparkly wrote:
i can't believe the sharing is rose today, nevertheless.


ARM's performance was outstanding!! Thats why...

37% increase in revenue doesn't lie..
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#20 Posted : Monday, November 07, 2011 11:44:53 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Having seen East Africa Portland and KenGen go through this, how come Athi River didn't even try to hedge the fx risk?


They had assumed that the USD Loan of 74.2M (FY 2010) was naturally hedged through its exports of its USD Denominated non-cement exports. As such,they assumed that the USD inflows should have covered for the USD interest payments. I think this assumption did not hold.

Happy Hunting.

There 3 choices in this case:

1) Hedging the FX Loan in its entirety which can be pricey thus negating the advantage of borrowing in FX (US$) vs KES.

2) Hedging the FX CASH FLOWS - which can be pricey as well since ARM has to find a counterparty whose premiums/costs may negate the advantage of borrowing in FX (US$) vs KES.

3) "Natural" hedging the FX CASH FLOWS - These are through sales of goods & services in FX.

The 'loss' made by ARM is a Mark-To-Market loss but as most export sales are made in US$ the 'loss' will be reduced by the difference in increased KES per US$ earned. The 'problem' arises if US$ sales drop.

4Q 2011 will probably see another MTM loss but hopefully ARM can export more cement/goods priced in US$.

KQ is another firm that faces this accounting 'problem' since the Loans (in US$) are MTM during the period to account for KES depreciation. The income in US$ (used to pay the Loan) comes in over several years.

So for all practical purposes, this is a Balance Sheet adjustment not a P&L item.
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