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digitek1
#1 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2011 4:45:26 PM
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something is clearly underfoot. what @thedeal calls nazi accounting
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muganda
#2 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2011 5:02:39 PM
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@digitek1, you may be on to something, with more companies ditching IFRS for this new KFRS - Kenya Financial Reporting Substrate

I noted on the just anounced BBKQ3 results, they opted to adopt KFRS because international banks like BBK/SCBK were 'looking terrible' when compared to their counterparts who adopted KFRS at half-year.

Equity Bank was one of the more adept, choosing to report part of the securities book using IFRS and another part using KFRS.

All said and done, kudos to KQ who made a helluva of a profit from good old-fashioned hedging, above the table.

digitek1
#3 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2011 5:15:35 PM
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when Ekwite bank decides to convert mtm to htm and they have to sell & buy back at prevailing prices..there must be some form of market manipulation
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#4 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2011 6:02:41 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
when Ekwite bank decides to convert mtm to htm and they have to sell & buy back at prevailing prices..there must be some form of market manipulation


The important thing is to sell and buy back, as to whether the market has been manipulated is not an accounting issue, more a regulatory issue.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
muganda
#5 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2011 6:50:22 PM
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@Obi 1 Kanobi, a question for my understanding...
Is it right to presume a book loss is realised on the sale? And what price would the buy-back be effected at assuming the transaction only involves one party?

If a buy-back is required for reclassification, how do they manage to hide the loss?

Thanks
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The important thing is to sell and buy back, as to whether the market has been manipulated is not an accounting issue, more a regulatory issue.

Gordon Gekko
#6 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2011 7:40:54 PM
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@mugsy, I'm hearing about KFRS for the first time here. If like KAS is based on IAS, I assume that KFRS is based on IFRS.
If so, IFRS 1 is about First Time Adoption, and the key being first time adopters will do so at the beginning of an accounting period, and to have three previous Statements of Financial Position and two previous Statements of Comprehensive Income. How then were KFRS activated in mid year?
the deal
#7 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2011 10:40:21 PM
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@Digitek If Member went 100% mtm the losses would have been huge probably the worst in the banks history, so they had no option other than to engage in sell and buy back practises...what remained is 15% that's what they marked mtm...now i see NBK still had that Sh9.3 Bln bond at H1 classified as held for trading purpose unless they also engaged in Nazi accounting procedures of sell and buy back they have to mtm that bond and their profits will take a hit but in the story the CEO has said it has reclassified the bond as htm no wonder the stock has been moving off late...insiders knew aulready in that case NBK might suprise with their 3Q results...the manager was right and he is just a victim of the CEO's incompetence...Kenyan banks operate with impunity its time CBK reigned into them.
digitek1
#8 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:38:37 PM
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Lackluster results from NBK
http://www.nationalbank....esults_30_june_2011.pdf

When everyone seem to be reporting huge profits
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