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Layman
#121 Posted : Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:09:12 AM
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mozenrat wrote:

The Loan-"giving" Deposit-taking ones are no longer allowed to go into investments???? and have to establish separate Investment Saccos and I have to save in two different vehicles to gain from both worlds???

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That statement is wrong.
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#122 Posted : Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:16:42 PM
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Shak wrote:
Remembered this informative discussion and thot i'd put it out there for those who missed it


Thanks @Shak this is one of those threads I will never forget in a hurry.

Initially its only @Mozenrat and @Mwenza who could see the not so obvious about sacco loans.

I must also confess that this was my maiden argument in sk/wazua.
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#123 Posted : Monday, October 31, 2011 10:31:20 AM
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I have personally taken a coupla loans with SC and trust me,there are no hidden costs. The company i workd for negotiated a lower rate for us since they are our custodians. So far so good!
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#124 Posted : Monday, October 31, 2011 8:09:59 PM
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with cbk mpc rates knee jerk reactions sacco loans win the day
2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
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#125 Posted : Monday, October 31, 2011 9:14:47 PM
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with cbk mpc rates knee jerk reactions sacco loans win the day



Really?? Our Sacco is now charging 2% per month... That 24% per annum!!!! my bank is offering the same at a employer negotiated 16%
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#126 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:55:27 AM
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Many thanks for bringing this up, I learnt about saccos on Wazua and have since joined Mhasibu. Kudos for a great community.

The Islamic banking products were not explained in earlier posts, would someone inform us on them and if they are available to non-muslims.
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#127 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:57:57 AM
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mozenrat wrote:
'user' wrote:
with cbk mpc rates knee jerk reactions sacco loans win the day



Really?? Our Sacco is now charging 2% per month... That 24% per annum!!!! my bank is offering the same at a employer negotiated 16%


Which sacco is that ? I thought most if not all saccos charge between 0.5-1% per month .Yours is a first /record .Move!!!!!



2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
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#128 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:31:48 AM
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'user' wrote:
mozenrat wrote:
'user' wrote:
with cbk mpc rates knee jerk reactions sacco loans win the day



Really?? Our Sacco is now charging 2% per month... That 24% per annum!!!! my bank is offering the same at a employer negotiated 16%


Which sacco is that ? I thought most if not all saccos charge between 0.5-1% per month .Yours is a first /record .Move!!!!!




most saccos charge 1 per cent per month on reducing balance on 'normal' loans. that translates to around 6.3 percent per annum.by far better than banks. there are also other loans in the same sacco that may be more than 1 percent interest rate. depaends on ones need. like my sacco offers loan from 1.0 to 1.45 percent per month on reducing balance.
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#129 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:54:12 PM
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TUPAC wrote:
'user' wrote:
mozenrat wrote:
'user' wrote:
with cbk mpc rates knee jerk reactions sacco loans win the day



Really?? Our Sacco is now charging 2% per month... That 24% per annum!!!! my bank is offering the same at a employer negotiated 16%


Which sacco is that ? I thought most if not all saccos charge between 0.5-1% per month .Yours is a first /record .Move!!!!!




most saccos charge 1 per cent per month on reducing balance on 'normal' loans. that translates to around 6.3 percent per annum.by far better than banks. there are also other loans in the same sacco that may be more than 1 percent interest rate. depaends on ones need. like my sacco offers loan from 1.0 to 1.45 percent per month on reducing balance.



How does 1% per month rate translate to 6.3% rate per annum? Last I heard there were 12 months in one calender monthsmile
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#130 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:10:17 PM
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TUPAC wrote:
'user' wrote:
mozenrat wrote:
'user' wrote:
with cbk mpc rates knee jerk reactions sacco loans win the day



Really?? Our Sacco is now charging 2% per month... That 24% per annum!!!! my bank is offering the same at a employer negotiated 16%


Which sacco is that ? I thought most if not all saccos charge between 0.5-1% per month .Yours is a first /record .Move!!!!!




most saccos charge 1 per cent per month on reducing balance on 'normal' loans. that translates to around 6.3 percent per annum.by far better than banks. there are also other loans in the same sacco that may be more than 1 percent interest rate. depaends on ones need. like my sacco offers loan from 1.0 to 1.45 percent per month on reducing balance.

its 6.3 per cent per annum coz its on reducing balance.that is interest is charged on the remaining loan balance per month until you repay the whole loan. so if you calculate the annual rate using the total interest you pay over the duration of the loan, then thats the rate you get!! unbelievable but true. if you belong to a sacco then that is the rate you pay.
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#131 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:21:20 PM
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Tebes wrote:
TUPAC wrote:
'user' wrote:
mozenrat wrote:
'user' wrote:
with cbk mpc rates knee jerk reactions sacco loans win the day



Really?? Our Sacco is now charging 2% per month... That 24% per annum!!!! my bank is offering the same at a employer negotiated 16%


Which sacco is that ? I thought most if not all saccos charge between 0.5-1% per month .Yours is a first /record .Move!!!!!




most saccos charge 1 per cent per month on reducing balance on 'normal' loans. that translates to around 6.3 percent per annum.by far better than banks. there are also other loans in the same sacco that may be more than 1 percent interest rate. depaends on ones need. like my sacco offers loan from 1.0 to 1.45 percent per month on reducing balance.



How does 1% per month rate translate to 6.3% rate per annum? Last I heard there were 12 months in one calender monthsmile


@ Tebes, KEYWORD is reducing balance. in 8-4-4 we did such calculations in primary school;

Assume you borrow Ksh 120,000 to repay at 1% a month reducing balance...what will you repay back ?

Principle Monthly Interest Principle Monthly + Interest TOTAL
Jan 120000 10000 1200 11200
Feb 110000 10000 1100 11100
Mar 100000 10000 1000 11000
Apr 90000 10000 900 10900
May 80000 10000 800 10800
Jun 70000 10000 700 10700
Jul 60000 10000 600 10600
Aug 50000 10000 500 10500
Sep 40000 10000 400 10400
Oct 30000 10000 300 10300
Nov 20000 10000 200 10200
Dec 10000 10000 100 10100
120000 7800 127800

Yearly interest 6.5
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TUPAC
#132 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:32:39 PM
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sihingwa wrote:
Tebes wrote:
TUPAC wrote:
'user' wrote:
mozenrat wrote:
'user' wrote:
with cbk mpc rates knee jerk reactions sacco loans win the day



Really?? Our Sacco is now charging 2% per month... That 24% per annum!!!! my bank is offering the same at a employer negotiated 16%


Which sacco is that ? I thought most if not all saccos charge between 0.5-1% per month .Yours is a first /record .Move!!!!!




most saccos charge 1 per cent per month on reducing balance on 'normal' loans. that translates to around 6.3 percent per annum.by far better than banks. there are also other loans in the same sacco that may be more than 1 percent interest rate. depaends on ones need. like my sacco offers loan from 1.0 to 1.45 percent per month on reducing balance.



How does 1% per month rate translate to 6.3% rate per annum? Last I heard there were 12 months in one calender monthsmile


@ Tebes, KEYWORD is reducing balance. in 8-4-4 we did such calculations in primary school;

Assume you borrow Ksh 120,000 to repay at 1% a month reducing balance...what will you repay back ?

Principle Monthly Interest Principle Monthly + Interest TOTAL
Jan 120000 10000 1200 11200
Feb 110000 10000 1100 11100
Mar 100000 10000 1000 11000
Apr 90000 10000 900 10900
May 80000 10000 800 10800
Jun 70000 10000 700 10700
Jul 60000 10000 600 10600
Aug 50000 10000 500 10500
Sep 40000 10000 400 10400
Oct 30000 10000 300 10300
Nov 20000 10000 200 10200
Dec 10000 10000 100 10100
120000 7800 127800

Yearly interest 6.5

thats right@sihingwa. ukweli mtupu!!
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#133 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:57:46 PM
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'user' wrote:
mozenrat wrote:
'user' wrote:
with cbk mpc rates knee jerk reactions sacco loans win the day



Really?? Our Sacco is now charging 2% per month... That 24% per annum!!!! my bank is offering the same at a employer negotiated 16%


Which sacco is that ? I thought most if not all saccos charge between 0.5-1% per month .Yours is a first /record .Move!!!!!





Obviously not all.. Mhasibu charges 1.5% per month for a short term loan.. and pssst.. its the only one whose rate they've disclosed.. see here.. http://mhasibusacco.com/index.php/short-term

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#134 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:08:24 PM
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@ Tebes
Add: you also receive dividends on the amount you'd saved with your SACCO.
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#135 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:10:16 PM
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TUPAC wrote:
sihingwa wrote:
Tebes wrote:
TUPAC wrote:
'user' wrote:
mozenrat wrote:
'user' wrote:
with cbk mpc rates knee jerk reactions sacco loans win the day



Really?? Our Sacco is now charging 2% per month... That 24% per annum!!!! my bank is offering the same at a employer negotiated 16%


Which sacco is that ? I thought most if not all saccos charge between 0.5-1% per month .Yours is a first /record .Move!!!!!




most saccos charge 1 per cent per month on reducing balance on 'normal' loans. that translates to around 6.3 percent per annum.by far better than banks. there are also other loans in the same sacco that may be more than 1 percent interest rate. depaends on ones need. like my sacco offers loan from 1.0 to 1.45 percent per month on reducing balance.



How does 1% per month rate translate to 6.3% rate per annum? Last I heard there were 12 months in one calender monthsmile


@ Tebes, KEYWORD is reducing balance. in 8-4-4 we did such calculations in primary school;

Assume you borrow Ksh 120,000 to repay at 1% a month reducing balance...what will you repay back ?

Principle Monthly Interest Principle Monthly + Interest TOTAL
Jan 120000 10000 1200 11200
Feb 110000 10000 1100 11100
Mar 100000 10000 1000 11000
Apr 90000 10000 900 10900
May 80000 10000 800 10800
Jun 70000 10000 700 10700
Jul 60000 10000 600 10600
Aug 50000 10000 500 10500
Sep 40000 10000 400 10400
Oct 30000 10000 300 10300
Nov 20000 10000 200 10200
Dec 10000 10000 100 10100
120000 7800 127800

Yearly interest 6.5

thats right@sihingwa. ukweli mtupu!!



It would be nice if that was the way it actually worked... from a sample of Sacco websites however, I find that when they say 1%, they actually mean that they've taken their pre-determined annual rate and divided by 12.. check out these two who offer calculators on their websites...http://www.kbsacco.co.ke/loans/main-development-loans.html

http://www.maishaborasac...mp;task=2&article=2
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#136 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:13:02 PM
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@mozenrat, you are right. That is just a marketing gimmick by SACCOs.
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#137 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:27:25 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
@mozenrat, you are right. That is just a marketing gimmick by SACCOs.

its no gimmick. have been a member of a reputable sacco and that is the effective annual rates i have been paying on normal loans for the last 9 years. unless one belongs to a sacco, one may not appreciate the facts of the sacco loans!
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#138 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:10:23 PM
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SACCOs are very clear on their loans . Intrest is 1 % PM on reducing balance . Infact its clearly reflected in their monthly payment slip . For the Thomases a simple example will do . If u get a loan of 120000 ksh payable in 12 months . In the first month u will pay 10000 plus 1200 . In the twelveth month u will pay 10000 plus 100 ksh . Loan cleared .
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