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chemos
#31 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:37:33 AM
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scout_boy wrote:
The photo held by the first woman looks photoshopped according to me.


However ,I agree divorce and remarriage is prohibited in the bible.



ni kama ni triplets
jimmy1
#32 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:02:00 AM
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chemos wrote:
ni kama ni triplets

The child on the left side of the photo near the mum looks darker than the other two. No wonder the pastor was demanding for a paternity test
Injere
#33 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:18:48 PM
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Unfortunately, these sagas give Christ ample of bad publicity but they have nothing to do with Him or Christianity. It is a personal feud by two people who claim to be Christians and they are just doing their thing. No where have i read that they are consulting the Bible to resolve the issues in their marriage....that's where Christ has spoken very clearly about this issue.

I agree with sentiments made here about biashara churches - they are many. But this has NOTHING to do with Christianity either, read the Bible for yourself before going to any church and while you attend church services, test whatever is being taught by that yard stick. The Bible actively encourages us to question stuff that claim to be authentic Christianity. Hakuna maneno nyingine, it's as simple as that.
wakagori
#34 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:22:15 PM
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I saw this guy in a Range Rover Sport today, driver window all down, with his big tie! he sure feels nothing about it.
vinii
#35 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:37:50 PM
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wakagori wrote:
I saw this guy in a Range Rover Sport today, driver window all down, with his big tie! he sure feels nothing about it.

....stealing from the poor and promising then heaven in the next life..
If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
Cde Monomotapa
#36 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:08:21 PM
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vinii wrote:
wakagori wrote:
I saw this guy in a Range Rover Sport today, driver window all down, with his big tie! he sure feels nothing about it.

....stealing from the poor and promising then heaven in the next life..

Saw him in the Range too leo. Endeleeni na enriching these humans.
Jus Blazin
#37 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2011 1:30:25 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Shak wrote:

Correct me if i'm wrong but my interpretation of this is that it is wrong to divorce your wife or husband so that you can be free to marry someone else that you probably desire more. Otherwise people do have legitimate reasons to divorce eg. violence and may not do it just to get the freedom to marry another. I think such people can remarry


Then what about Matthew 19:9?
"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

The disciples too found this command hard to follow. v.10 captures their reaction:

10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

I do not think brutality is a justifiable biblical ground for divorce based on the above verse. That is why the church calls for separation instead of divorce in such cases.

Maybe there is something I don't get from the scriptures too.(@jus blazin I am waiting for that verse) I have read that John Hagee divorced his first wife and remarried.


@Lolest!, actually, the context is in the same verse, Matthew 19:9, in addition to Matthew 5:32. What these two verses talk about is the ONLY EXCEPTION that allows divorce is unfaithfulness/Sexual immorality. Meaning that there's a guilty party (the adulterer) and the INNOCENT party. So according to Jesus, divorce without the just cause of unfaithfulness still makes the marriage valid. Hence if you divorce someone for any other reason and you remarry, you commit adultery against them. Subsequently, whoever marries such a divorced person would also be committing adultery, and the divorcee becomes adulterous.

BUT, if there was sexual immorality in the marriage, then the INNOCENT party has every right to divorce the guilty party (remember, God hates divorce, Malachi 2:14-16, and divorce should be the last resort if forgiveness and reconciliation do not happen, as a result of unfaithfulness). Hence, according to that scripture, divorce, due to adultery, is the only ground on which the marriage can be made invalid, thus releasing the INNOCENT party from the marriage bond, free to remarry. In such a case, whoever marries the innocent party will thus not be committing adultery.

Any other reason for divorce would result in adultery for the two parties if they remarried. In such instances, separation is what is advised upon. But if divorce happens for any other reason other than adultery e.g brutality/abuse, absence, cold/no spark, etc, the two parties MUST remain unmarried, that is, they should never remarry and should never have sexual relations with any other person.

Hii mambo ni gwan!
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Wendz
#38 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2011 1:52:31 PM
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jimmy1 wrote:
chemos wrote:
ni kama ni triplets

The child on the left side of the photo near the mum looks darker than the other two. No wonder the pastor was demanding for a paternity test


you didnt just say that.... Photoshopped or not, did you do biology in school? With a comment like that, now we know who gives the 8-4-4 a bad name..... try revisiting your "genetics" notes uache kuaibisha the system and the google generation...
Dash
#39 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2011 1:58:30 PM
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@wendz well said Applause
Ignorance is a dangerous thing in this world.
Shak
#40 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2011 2:33:23 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Shak wrote:

Correct me if i'm wrong but my interpretation of this is that it is wrong to divorce your wife or husband so that you can be free to marry someone else that you probably desire more. Otherwise people do have legitimate reasons to divorce eg. violence and may not do it just to get the freedom to marry another. I think such people can remarry


Then what about Matthew 19:9?
"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

The disciples too found this command hard to follow. v.10 captures their reaction:

10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

I do not think brutality is a justifiable biblical ground for divorce based on the above verse. That is why the church calls for separation instead of divorce in such cases.

Maybe there is something I don't get from the scriptures too.(@jus blazin I am waiting for that verse) I have read that John Hagee divorced his first wife and remarried.


@Lolest!, actually, the context is in the same verse, Matthew 19:9, in addition to Matthew 5:32. What these two verses talk about is the ONLY EXCEPTION that allows divorce is unfaithfulness/Sexual immorality. Meaning that there's a guilty party (the adulterer) and the INNOCENT party. So according to Jesus, divorce without the just cause of unfaithfulness still makes the marriage valid. Hence if you divorce someone for any other reason and you remarry, you commit adultery against them. Subsequently, whoever marries such a divorced person would also be committing adultery, and the divorcee becomes adulterous.

BUT, if there was sexual immorality in the marriage, then the INNOCENT party has every right to divorce the guilty party (remember, God hates divorce, Malachi 2:14-16, and divorce should be the last resort if forgiveness and reconciliation do not happen, as a result of unfaithfulness). Hence, according to that scripture, divorce, due to adultery, is the only ground on which the marriage can be made invalid, thus releasing the INNOCENT party from the marriage bond, free to remarry. In such a case, whoever marries the innocent party will thus not be committing adultery.

Any other reason for divorce would result in adultery for the two parties if they remarried. In such instances, separation is what is advised upon. But if divorce happens for any other reason other than adultery e.g brutality/abuse, absence, cold/no spark, etc, the two parties MUST remain unmarried, that is, they should never remarry and should never have sexual relations with any other person.

Hii mambo ni gwan!


That is very interesting. I used to be against the idea of getting married to someone who has a child or children from a previous relationship. I believed strongly that if you father a child with another woman or you bear a child with another man then you are obliged to marry them and if you marry another you are sinning. My views have since changed though i wonder what the good book says about this
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