BTW, has science explained magic? Like that guy who could turn an object without touching it and even bend a metallic object without touching it? I always refer to the story of Achiba Bakari, some excorcist at the coast. Upon being arrested, he fell into a coma and no matter how much PGH medics tried the guy lay lifeless until another excorcist was involved and brought him back. The spiritual definitely exists and it is not based on death but on the supreme being

The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins is an excellent book. Pick it up if you can

I am a christian of sorts because missionaries settled in my ancestors' neighbourhood about a century ago. My 'sect' of christianity believes that its are a special people. For a long time my impression of christianity was we all are passing by earth on the way to heaven to live forever (and sinners wil burn in hell)

While Christian missionaries were subjugating Africans, Indian subjects of the British Empire 'escaped' missionary conversion during the Elizabethan reign, not because their gods were stronger than african gods but because India was the jewel of the Empire and Queen Elizabeth could not afford to lose it in ensuing religious riots so she directed that christian missionaries be restricted to cities where there was a presence of 'white masters'. The result is an Indian population which largely retained their many faiths and Hinduism as we know it today and an African population that is 'wailing more than the bereaved' .

Personally I do not believe that my denomination is special as my pastor would want me to believe, and I find it hard to imagine there is life after death. The idea of taking any single religion as the 'true' one will make all others 'false'. For this reason I think any religious rhetoric should be taken with a huge grain of salt.


Having said that, I have not renounced my faith. I believe religion has a big part to play in our society and is part of our collective culture as human beings.

@Lolest
I move spoons too but that is physics, the pastor called you? Pretty smart, but guess what? pastors pray for general things, like you've problem God want me to pray for you..... or something is paining you in your body...., you don't have to be genious to guess those right, do you?

Timoth 3:2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.

We have to differentiate ;The Bible,Christianity and Religion.The Bible for instance ,doesn't mention Christianity and only discusses religion once.


Going by the first subject:

Within the existence of the Church only a fraction of the bible has been added, that of the New Testament.

If the Church (a group of individuals) came up with this text ,WHY?


A close look at early church history would reveal:
1.There were no significant monetary gains to be made ,am glad this is coming out.Money is a big motivator for religious activities.
Take Dr.Dawkins for instance ,how much does he make from his books ,conferences etc?I would say alot.
Jesus ,the disciples did not opportunity to get a publishing deal.



2.The writers of the bible save for some, died painful martyrs.The followers too of this teachings followed the same fateful predicament.
Two things come out:
The writers of this scriptures knew what they had written was false.Why then would they die for something they knew was false?Having the knowledge, that even for we consider to be factual or cherishable we can hardly give our lives in such a gruesome way.


Facing a fiery a furnace,Crucifixion,lions in amphitheatre etc these writers would have simply have admitted they invented these scriptures.

The same situation would have faced the early readers of these texts.The Church did not begin and flourish in some backwater society.The Greek and Roman societies were the most sophisticated then they could easily tell
facts of history (as the bible has historical facts denoted).

This perhaps ,is the biggest selling point of the message.

What if the modern man was created by another civilized race out there in the galaxy probably via genetic engineering or other techniques that we are yet to discover!. Note that the extent to which the galaxies extends is mind boggling. Archaeological finds, the Sumerian’ Artifacts and the Anunnakis highly depicts a possibility of a higher intelligence that predates the current man. The design of the pyramids of Egypt and probably the bible could have been the works of that intelligence. Pyramids similar to those in Egypt have been discovered lately in other places like China, Iraq etc. Ancient Gold mines in the Middle East, South Africa and other places indicate that that intelligent being mined precious metals on Earth long before the current civilization…..A weird thought that man was engineered as a slave tool for those guys….
http://67.159.223.63/sumerians.html
http://www.abovetopsecre.../forum/thread659393/pg1

i do not know many things, but i know for sure some of these chaps purporting to work for Jesus are moneymakers and direct Conmen stealing in the name of God. But i still would recomend children be brought up in a church oriented setup...

... I am not questioning the existance of a supernatural being, call him God or any name, my question is about the church itself and the bible.. is there a possibility that the people of those days as they try to define where they came from, wrote some fiction stories which later became the bible?

...I have sat in a number of churches and most of them has every element a ponzi scheme has. So maybe as human try to define where they came from some good businessmen came in and took over the message.

I know for certain that there are businessmen and women who are capitalizing on the bible. That is not in doubt.

If we try and match the status of the writers of the bible with their contemporaries (back then) they hardly match up to the comfort their contemporaries had at their time. In contrast to modern churches. They are even richer and wealthier than their contemporaries.

As for fiction stories, that is a different kettle of fish.