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Rank: Member Joined: 11/20/2007 Posts: 47
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Doctor's in public service planning to go on a national strike come December 5th!! http://www.kmpdu.org/ind...&catid=1:latest-news
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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[quote=MJ]Doctor's in public service planning to go on a national strike come December 5th!! http://www.kmpdu.org/ind...amp;catid=1:latest-news[/quote] I thought they went for this strike sometimes last month? Siwamalize haraka. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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Impunity wrote:I thought they went for this strike sometimes last month? Siwamalize haraka.  He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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This is so unfair. What will happen to the patients that are in need of the medical attention. African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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Sober wrote:This is so unfair. What will happen to the patients that are in need of the medical attention. you better not be getting sick at that time.... By the way, is it all doctors or just those in public hospitals? what would be the grievances of those in the big hospitals when the hospitals are ripping us off big time?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 1,139
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Sober wrote:This is so unfair. What will happen to the patients that are in need of the medical attention. To me,its fair and not fair. Its fair because the govt has neglected the medical profession when awarding other professions in pretext that medical professions guys will be "touched" and continue working to save lives. Its unfair that patients will suffer ! Overall, I support the strike and all people in the public health facilities to down their tools. The lowest paid police Constable (from form 4) has a gross of ksh 18,000 while the lowest paid medical professional ie nurse etc gets a gross of ksh 23,000 (from KMTC) in govt institutions.A GP gets slightly over ksh 60,000 equivalent to the gross of a Chief Inspector of police. Surely,this is clear frustration. "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/9/2010 Posts: 546 Location: Garissa
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Burning Spear wrote:Sober wrote:This is so unfair. What will happen to the patients that are in need of the medical attention. To me,its fair and not fair. Its fair because the govt has neglected the medical profession when awarding other professions in pretext that medical professions guys will be "touched" and continue working to save lives. Its unfair that patients will suffer ! Overall, I support the strike and all people in the public health facilities to down their tools. The lowest paid police Constable (from form 4) has a gross of ksh 18,000 while the lowest paid medical professional ie nurse etc gets a gross of ksh 23,000 (from KMTC) in govt institutions. My view was that if a doctor or nurse goes on strike, they should be fired and cremated for posterity. After Lawyers, the police and Mungiki, doctors in Kenya have a bad reputation, incompetence, drunkards and drug peddlers. From KMTC, you pay 100k to get top grades and you still expect the KMTC products to perform. They most likely are into organ trafficking if they were taught early on corruption strategies. If you have ever been to a public hospital, you may agree with me that the doctors and nurses their offer the worst kind of medical care from how they handle you as a patient or a relative of a patient to when you are about to die. Wisdom to detect when share prices hit rock bottom.
When interest on bonds keep going up, you know the bear run is on high street. When interest on bonds start leveling, the bear has met the bull and they have hit rock bottom. When the interest rates on bonds start coming down, the bull has overpowered the bear and you better be riding the bull.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/9/2010 Posts: 546 Location: Garissa
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There was a time I almost died in a public hospital due to negligence but when I remembered how the morgues are, I decided not to die. I thought Any'ang Nyon'go is in charge of medical services and services by now would have improved but Eldoret ref and others have been in the media for the wrong reasons. Wisdom to detect when share prices hit rock bottom.
When interest on bonds keep going up, you know the bear run is on high street. When interest on bonds start leveling, the bear has met the bull and they have hit rock bottom. When the interest rates on bonds start coming down, the bull has overpowered the bear and you better be riding the bull.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/1/2008 Posts: 834
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picture this.... working for 72hrs straight or more - on call with strained facilities, few nurses,inadequate lab support..........and then take home 60k!!! If you are going to be thinking only one thing, you might as well be thinking big. -Donald J . Trump
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/24/2008 Posts: 479
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Sure wrote:There was a time I almost died in a public hospital due to negligence but when I remembered how the morgues are, I decided not to die. I thought Any'ang Nyon'go is in charge of medical services and services by now would have improved but Eldoret ref and others have been in the media for the wrong reasons. that was very smart of you.. Every man is guilty of all the good he didn't do-
Voltaire
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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Burning Spear wrote:Sober wrote:This is so unfair. What will happen to the patients that are in need of the medical attention. To me,its fair and not fair. Its fair because the govt has neglected the medical profession when awarding other professions in pretext that medical professions guys will be "touched" and continue working to save lives. Its unfair that patients will suffer ! Overall, I support the strike and all people in the public health facilities to down their tools. The lowest paid police Constable (from form 4) has a gross of ksh 18,000 while the lowest paid medical professional ie nurse etc gets a gross of ksh 23,000 (from KMTC) in govt institutions.A GP gets slightly over ksh 60,000 equivalent to the gross of a Chief Inspector of police. Surely,this is clear frustration. I could be wrong but i have a close friend who is a nurse at KNH. She wouldnt accept to work for NH or AK because nurses there are not paid as well and they work even longer hours.... Their terms of service is so much better because she even gets more free days when she works at night.... Doesnt this apply to all government hospitals or is it exceptional to KNH?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/20/2007 Posts: 47
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Wendz wrote:Burning Spear wrote:Sober wrote:This is so unfair. What will happen to the patients that are in need of the medical attention. To me,its fair and not fair. Its fair because the govt has neglected the medical profession when awarding other professions in pretext that medical professions guys will be "touched" and continue working to save lives. Its unfair that patients will suffer ! Overall, I support the strike and all people in the public health facilities to down their tools. The lowest paid police Constable (from form 4) has a gross of ksh 18,000 while the lowest paid medical professional ie nurse etc gets a gross of ksh 23,000 (from KMTC) in govt institutions.A GP gets slightly over ksh 60,000 equivalent to the gross of a Chief Inspector of police. Surely,this is clear frustration. I could be wrong but i have a close friend who is a nurse at KNH. She wouldnt accept to work for NH or AK because nurses there are not paid as well and they work even longer hours.... Their terms of service is so much better because she even gets more free days when she works at night.... Doesnt this apply to all government hospitals or is it exceptional to KNH? @Wendz-It is true, KNH nurses have better terms of work compared to AK and NH. However did you know that the hospital is mostly run by postgraduate students who do not get a single coin from the hospital-they actually pay fees!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/20/2007 Posts: 47
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Sure wrote:Burning Spear wrote:Sober wrote:This is so unfair. What will happen to the patients that are in need of the medical attention. To me,its fair and not fair. Its fair because the govt has neglected the medical profession when awarding other professions in pretext that medical professions guys will be "touched" and continue working to save lives. Its unfair that patients will suffer ! Overall, I support the strike and all people in the public health facilities to down their tools. The lowest paid police Constable (from form 4) has a gross of ksh 18,000 while the lowest paid medical professional ie nurse etc gets a gross of ksh 23,000 (from KMTC) in govt institutions. My view was that if a doctor or nurse goes on strike, they should be fired and cremated for posterity. After Lawyers, the police and Mungiki, doctors in Kenya have a bad reputation, incompetence, drunkards and drug peddlers. From KMTC, you pay 100k to get top grades and you still expect the KMTC products to perform. They most likely are into organ trafficking if they were taught early on corruption strategies. If you have ever been to a public hospital, you may agree with me that the doctors and nurses their offer the worst kind of medical care from how they handle you as a patient or a relative of a patient to when you are about to die. WOW....such strong words. BTW...KMTC does not train doctors-those are not the people threatening to go on strike.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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Which other source and you actually don't have the time? It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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[quote=bwenyenye Some careers are meant to be vocations not professions.It should not be about the money. You cannot be a good doctor if you are hungry and you are looking at your patient as your source of next meal. You should have other sources of sustenance. Sad but the hard truth.[/quote] No problem here, the vocational doctors in public sector will not be going on strike. lets count how many they will be  I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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thuks wrote:[quote=bwenyenye
Some careers are meant to be vocations not professions.It should not be about the money. You cannot be a good doctor if you are hungry and you are looking at your patient as your source of next meal. You should have other sources of sustenance. Sad but the hard truth. No problem here, the vocational doctors in public sector will not be going on strike. lets count how many they will be [/quote] Guys, unfortunately 99% of our doctors are there for the money. Big money. And when they don't touch it.... they behave like nursery school kids or the Kenya Powerless idiots! All I am saying is that they are no better than the govt that is not providing them with the required facilities. Hospitals are run by doctors who should know what is needed to run a hospital. If they go fixing lifts and forget buying the gauze, who do you blame? Let me ask the docs here, would you prefer excellent working facilities or the pay? I did not hear anyone striking coz of the lack of facilities. I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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Quote:bwenyenye wrote:thuks wrote:[quote=bwenyenye
Some careers are meant to be vocations not professions.It should not be about the money. You cannot be a good doctor if you are hungry and you are looking at your patient as your source of next meal. You should have other sources of sustenance. Sad but the hard truth. No problem here, the vocational doctors in public sector will not be going on strike. lets count how many they will be Guys, unfortunately 99% of our doctors are there for the money. Big money. And when they don't touch it.... they behave like nursery school kids or the Kenya Powerless idiots! All I am saying is that they are no better than the govt that is not providing them with the required facilities. Hospitals are run by doctors who should know what is needed to run a hospital. If they go fixing lifts and forget buying the gauze, who do you blame? Let me ask the docs here, would you prefer excellent working facilities or the pay? I did not hear anyone striking coz of the lack of facilities. [/quote]  Excellent working facilities? In which Government hospital? It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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bkismat wrote:Quote:bwenyenye wrote:thuks wrote:[quote=bwenyenye
Some careers are meant to be vocations not professions.It should not be about the money. You cannot be a good doctor if you are hungry and you are looking at your patient as your source of next meal. You should have other sources of sustenance. Sad but the hard truth. No problem here, the vocational doctors in public sector will not be going on strike. lets count how many they will be Guys, unfortunately 99% of our doctors are there for the money. Big money. And when they don't touch it.... they behave like nursery school kids or the Kenya Powerless idiots! All I am saying is that they are no better than the govt that is not providing them with the required facilities. Hospitals are run by doctors who should know what is needed to run a hospital. If they go fixing lifts and forget buying the gauze, who do you blame? Let me ask the docs here, would you prefer excellent working facilities or the pay? I did not hear anyone striking coz of the lack of facilities. Excellent working facilities? In which Government hospital?[/quote] My point exactly. What moral do you have to ask for more pay knowing very well you will still do jerk due to lack of facilities. How much better are you compared to the Chief Inspector? Well at least he has a uniform and white cap on and we see him making traffic move every evening. What about you, the last time I visited public hospital you never did your rounds, I saw guys dying at the reception coz you were missing or did not care. I dread having to see you than to see the inspector. At least I can count on him to get home this evening. As far as the public doc is concerned, I will meet him at the private hospital. As tax payer, I would rate a cop's services more expensive than yours coz you got no tools of trade and you want more pay! I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/1/2008 Posts: 834
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thats what moi said for 24years- "kuweni wazalendo bla bla bla" in the meantime he stashed 40b(kroll report) in a safe house!!!! the docs need to pay bills,good hse,kids in good schools,car....its not a privilege, they have earned it. how can he save your life when his toi is being hounded for fees from school, landlord on his neck....walking to work. i know many who want to do their jobs wholeheartedly but one has to draw a line, its paid vocation! get ready to see more braindrain, as we train more docs for the west....!!! If you are going to be thinking only one thing, you might as well be thinking big. -Donald J . Trump
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