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#41 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 9:37:15 AM
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This even I can't make sense of, why is HF heading south today?

BBI will solve it
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selah
#42 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 9:58:38 AM
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Can some one explain to me something very simple but I have yet to understand it.

IF you look at total share holders fund it is KSh.4,377,675 then when you look at total capital it is KSh.6,546,896

The total capital is made up of the core capital and supplementary capital.So my questions is when reading the balance sheet what makes the total capital is it the shareholder fund or additional capital from a debt instrument in this case the bond.


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#43 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 11:04:58 AM
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2012 wrote:
This even I can't make sense of, why is HF heading south today?


Familiar story. Good results - so what? ZZZZZZ.
youcan'tstopusnow
#44 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 6:33:30 PM
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Magnetic Touch wrote:
2012 wrote:
This even I can't make sense of, why is HF heading south today?


Familiar story. Good results - so what? ZZZZZZ.


HFCK is not the first (and will definitely not be the last) to fail to react positively to a good set of results.

Good times these...
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mwekez@ji
#45 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2011 12:44:00 PM
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selah wrote:
Can some one explain to me something very simple but I have yet to understand it.

IF you look at total share holders fund it is KSh.4,377,675 then when you look at total capital it is KSh.6,546,896

The total capital is made up of the core capital and supplementary capital.So my questions is when reading the balance sheet what makes the total capital is it the shareholder fund or additional capital from a debt instrument in this case the bond.




@Selar, total capital=core capital + supplementary capital. (as you have pointed above)

However, note that shareholders fund is not the same as core capital. This is because some items comprising shareholders funds are not included in core capital e.g. statutory loan loss reserve, 50% of un-audited PAT. Also, a number of deductions are made in arriving at core capital e.g. investments in subsidiaries, good will.

Also note that the 7 billion Medium Term Note (MTN) sold by HFCK in Sept 2010 does not qualify as supplementary capital and is therefore not a part of the total capital. The MTN is classified as borrowed funds (check on the BS).

The following could also assist

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“Core Capital” (Tier 1) - Is as defined in Section 2(1) of the Banking Act namely permanent shareholders equity (issued and fully paid-up ordinary shares and perpetual non-cumulative preference shares), disclosed reserves such as share premium, retained earnings and 50% un-audited after tax profits less investments in subsidiaries conducting banking business, investment in equity instruments of other institutions, intangible assets (excluding computer software) and goodwill.


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“Supplementary Capital” (Tier 2) – Is as defined in Section 2(1) of the Banking Act and includes 25% of asset revaluation reserves which have received prior Central Bank’s approval, subordinated debt, hybrid (debt equity) capital instruments or any other capital instrument approved by Central Bank. Supplementary capital must not exceed core capital.
youcan'tstopusnow
#46 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 10:00:56 PM
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Housing Finance to revive property development arm

http://www.businessdaily.../-/101pfkoz/-/index.html
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nahdy
#47 Posted : Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:07:33 AM
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This share always follows equity trend. Bk closure nxt wk will it jump over the roof?
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#48 Posted : Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:40:09 AM
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nahdy wrote:
This share always follows equity trend. Bk closure nxt wk will it jump over the roof?


I'm more worried of what will happen after closure.

BBI will solve it
:)
nahdy
#49 Posted : Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:53:37 AM
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I see equity on an upward trend which could be gud news for hfck
guru267
#50 Posted : Sunday, October 23, 2011 3:42:40 PM
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nahdy wrote:
I see equity on an upward trend which could be gud news for hfck


What is the premise for this argument?
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#51 Posted : Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:28:05 PM
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nahdy wrote:
I see equity on an upward trend which could be gud news for hfck

i think that trend is not as strong as it used to be.
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mwekez@ji
#52 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2011 9:38:21 AM
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guru267 wrote:
nahdy wrote:
I see equity on an upward trend which could be gud news for hfck


What is the premise for this argument?


Interesting correlation

http://www.mystocks.co.ke/s52/20111021

then hit: Compare HFCK
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#53 Posted : Monday, October 31, 2011 2:43:46 PM
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ngapat
#54 Posted : Monday, October 31, 2011 2:58:01 PM
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And no reactions yet. Is this really a bull
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#55 Posted : Monday, October 31, 2011 3:03:43 PM
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It may interest you to know that HF today is trading ex dividend. So the fact that today, it is trading at the same price as it was on Friday (when it was "cum") implies it has "risen" a little.

And it appears like there has been a big seller since Friday. But as you have seen in the case of KCB at minus 15, this supply dries up at some point!
guru267
#56 Posted : Monday, October 31, 2011 6:01:42 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
guru267 wrote:
nahdy wrote:
I see equity on an upward trend which could be gud news for hfck


What is the premise for this argument?


Interesting correlation

http://www.mystocks.co.ke/s52/20111021

then hit: Compare HFCK


@mwezek@ji that is a very strong positive correlation between both stocks.. it would literally be pointless for an investor to own both..
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