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Its A Rights Issue From Kenya Airways!
mwanahisa
#81 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:32:54 PM
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In the case of KQ, sadly I am forced to agree with you that the rights can only bode ill for current shareholders.

Shareholders approved an increase in the number of shares from the current circa 460 million shares to 2 billion shares, essentially quadrupling the number of shares. Should the Directors exercise the authority extorted from shareholders, they can issue a rights issue of 3 for every 1 share. As some of you may recall, the last 3 for 1 rights issue was done by Olympia at Kshs 14. As they say, the rest is history!

Granted, KQ will continue to grow its profits, however, the growth in profits will be nowhere near the anticipated huge increase in the number of shares. EPS will henceforth reduce dramatically and I cannot see the dividend being increased anytime soon. Note the increase in the 2011 dividend was just a sweetener to "sucker" guys in.

ALL IN ALL, THINGS ARE NOT LOOKING TOO BRIGHT FOR KQ SHAREHOLDERS.
kyt
#82 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:41:03 PM
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for the interest of the shareholders, i think the mgt should wrap this off, its a bad decision to get capital in a bear market.
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mwanahisa
#83 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:52:10 PM
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I am not too sure that Mgt really care about the interests of current shareholders. They are focused on expanding the airline, not necessarily in growing shareholder wealth and sometimes these two can be mutually exclusive.

It may be worth noting that Directors collectively own the really grand total of 26,000 shares in their individual capacities. It's not a wonder they are insistent on bringing a rights issue to market in this bear environment. They hardly stand to lose a thing.

Having said that, as the price depreciates to the anticipated level of Kshs 15 or so, it would make a lot of sense to participate but purely to lock in short term profits.
sparkly
#84 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2011 7:56:07 PM
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2012 wrote:
Personally and from experience I would not participate in any rights in the NSE. Look at KCB, KPLC, NIC, all are trading way way below the rights price, bear or otherwise.

Tps did well, remember. This bear has not spared the companies that did not do rights.
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the deal
#85 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:23:16 PM
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@Mwanahisa the future looks bright for KQ...Africa is an emerging continent with an expanding middle class who will need to fly often...KQ is also well position to link trade between Africa and the World...also the liberation of African skies will benefit KQ...with revenue projected to be 110-120 Bln...KQ is a Buy even with 3:1 rights issue but when @hisah draws those trend lines the charts point to Sh17...thats where I will make a Grand Entry!!!!
Cde Monomotapa
#86 Posted : Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:14:49 AM
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If wishes were horses.
2012
#87 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 11:27:45 AM
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Local travellers to start paying Kenya Airways in US dollars: LINK

From next week get ready to pay in US dollars for domestic flights on KQ.
And all this time I thought it was a Kenyan airline. At this rate CBK should just circulate US$ for domestic use and kill the Ksh.
Shame on you

BBI will solve it
:)
mwanahisa
#88 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 12:11:28 PM
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@he deal. I am not disputing that KQ will likely do well as an airline (Note the word likely).

However, with a 3:1 rights issue, the mid term future for the share is dire.To maintain current EPS, KQ would have to quadruple its profits. How long do you think it will take for that to happen?

On the other hand there may well be a chance to make some money in the short term if indeed the price continues falling. H1 2011-12 results will be excellent and may bump up the price a little. However, this will clearly be shortlived due to the spectre of the rights hanging over the share. I notice that KQ has already started advertising so the rights issue cannot be far off.

the deal wrote:
@Mwanahisa the future looks bright for KQ...Africa is an emerging continent with an expanding middle class who will need to fly often...KQ is also well position to link trade between Africa and the World...also the liberation of African skies will benefit KQ...with revenue projected to be 110-120 Bln...KQ is a Buy even with 3:1 rights issue but when @hisah draws those trend lines the charts point to Sh17...thats where I will make a Grand Entry!!!!

the deal
#89 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 12:30:41 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
@he deal. I am not disputing that KQ will likely do well as an airline (Note the word likely).

However, with a 3:1 rights issue, the mid term future for the share is dire.To maintain current EPS, KQ would have to quadruple its profits. How long do you think it will take for that to happen?

On the other hand there may well be a chance to make some money in the short term if indeed the price continues falling. H1 2011-12 results will be excellent and may bump up the price a little. However, this will clearly be shortlived due to the spectre of the rights hanging over the share. I notice that KQ has already started advertising so the rights issue cannot be far off.

the deal wrote:
@Mwanahisa the future looks bright for KQ...Africa is an emerging continent with an expanding middle class who will need to fly often...KQ is also well position to link trade between Africa and the World...also the liberation of African skies will benefit KQ...with revenue projected to be 110-120 Bln...KQ is a Buy even with 3:1 rights issue but when @hisah draws those trend lines the charts point to Sh17...thats where I will make a Grand Entry!!!!


Uhmmh a 3:1 RI will bring how many shares into the market? With PAT of between Sh6-7.2 Billion for FY 2011/12 what will be the EPS?
mwanahisa
#90 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 12:46:33 PM
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the deal wrote:
Uhmmh a 3:1 RI will bring how many shares into the market? With PAT of between Sh6-7.2 Billion for FY 2011/12 what will be the EPS?


Currently KQ has just under 462 million shares in issue. A 3:1 rights issue would increase these shares to approximately 1.85 Billion shares.

Taking the top end of your PAT estimate of Kshs 7.2 B, EPS would amount to Kshs 3.9 per share.

In 2011-12, I doubt whether KQ will be able to grow PAT by more than 100%, which is what 7.2 B would represent.

All the same, I can see a short term play shaping up on KQ.
the deal
#91 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 12:59:50 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
the deal wrote:
Uhmmh a 3:1 RI will bring how many shares into the market? With PAT of between Sh6-7.2 Billion for FY 2011/12 what will be the EPS?


Currently KQ has just under 462 million shares in issue. A 3:1 rights issue would increase these shares to approximately 1.85 Billion shares.

Taking the top end of your PAT estimate of Kshs 7.2 B, EPS would amount to Kshs 3.9 per share.

In 2011-12, I doubt whether KQ will be able to grow PAT by more than 100%, which is what 7.2 B would represent.

All the same, I can see a short term play shaping up on KQ.

At 17 bob where me & hisah are waiting for this Boeing...PE will be 3.9 post rights issue ofcourse!!!
mwanahisa
#92 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 2:52:52 PM
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the deal wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
All the same, I can see a short term play shaping up on KQ.

At 17 bob where me & hisah are waiting for this Boeing...PE will be 3.9 post rights issue ofcourse!!!


Then, let's hope it gets there. But I can guarantee you, this will be one where I sneak in - at Minus 20 Kshs and exit ASAP.
hisah
#93 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2011 3:55:35 PM
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@23.25 with a 2011 low of 23. Did the KQ pilot bail out without warning!? The capitulation...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Pierce
#94 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:13:07 AM
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Wapi dividend cheque??
the deal
#95 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:55:46 AM
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hisah wrote:
@23.25 with a 2011 low of 23. Did the KQ pilot bail out without warning!? The capitulation...

Laughing out loudly smile Sigggggh 22.50 today...the capitulation continues...
QW25081985
#96 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:06:20 AM
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the deal wrote:
hisah wrote:
@23.25 with a 2011 low of 23. Did the KQ pilot bail out without warning!? The capitulation...

Laughing out loudly smile Sigggggh 22.50 today...the capitulation continues...


volumes are just tooooo weak for me to get concerned...
mwanahisa
#97 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:21:26 AM
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Considering the upcoming massive dilution that has been telegraphed by the company, the lower it goes, the better it is.

This will create room for some modest upside around the H1 results.
hisah
#98 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:01:51 PM
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the deal wrote:
hisah wrote:
@23.25 with a 2011 low of 23. Did the KQ pilot bail out without warning!? The capitulation...

Laughing out loudly smile Sigggggh 22.50 today...the capitulation continues...

22 prints...
NBK looks like it wants to break below 20...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
the deal
#99 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31:40 AM
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The Boeing has put in a nasty 2Q perfomance http://www.kenya-airways...nd%20quarter%202011.pdf

@HIsah time to start getting in!
the deal
#100 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:12:30 PM
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My analysis of the KQ 2Q operational results Kenya on http://contrarianinvestingkenya.info NOWsmile
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