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adundo
#1 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 7:45:00 AM
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I would like to invest for my child's education in later years. He is now 3 years old. I would like to be saving around 5k every month but don't know the exact place to put this money. Should i put this money in insurance education policy? or in unit trust eg zimelle? or in my co-operative society fosa account. Please advice and suggest the best institutions i can join.
on the move
#2 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 9:20:00 AM
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A unit linked policy is where a portion of the premium say only k’sh 100 is used to purchase life cover (the sum assured,say k’sh 500,000) with the balance invested in an authorized unit trust/trusts.

With your 5k,k’sh 4,900 would go to investments in a chosen fund and the remainder offers you a life cover,just in case you pass away.

The return on the policy is thus linked to the performance of the units in the unit trust.

The advantage of this arrangement is the insurance element and the descent returns.

Contact me at info@conceptadvisoryservices.co.ke and I will give you more info and assistance.

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doh
#3 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 10:15:00 AM
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I would not recommend insurance. I learnt the hard way after policies for my family lapsed after contributing in excess of 480,000.00. This was in the late 90s when the kenyan economy had been run down and i could not service the policies. Imagine if I would have put the money in the stocks.

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on the move
#4 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 11:43:00 AM
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@doh,what you are referring to is the old styled insurance policy.

Things have changed. I consult for over 5 local and 2 international insurance companies and the terms are different.

today there is a pullout on some of the products. Check the DN
pacifier
#5 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 12:39:00 PM
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on the move,please explain simply the difference between a regular insurance and the unit linked policy,especially for planning for your kids' education. i have both,the regular insurance i took out for my older kid when unit linked policies were not yet in the market then took the unit linked policy later for my last born,but to tell u the truth,i'm not quite clear on the pros and cons of each. please clarify. thanks.
on the move
#6 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 2:34:00 PM
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A unit linked insurance policy is one in which the customer is provided with a life insurance cover and the premium paid is invested in either debt or equity products or a combination of the two.

In other words,it enables the buyer to secure some protection for his family in the event of his untimely death and at the same time provides him an opportunity to earn a return on his premium paid.

In the event of the insured person's untimely death,his nominees would normally receive an amount that is the higher of the sum assured (insurance cover) or the value of the units (investments).

However,there are some schemes in which the policyholder receives the sum assured plus the value of the investments.

Every insurance company has four to five ULIPs with varying investment options,charges and conditions for withdrawals and surrender. Moreover,schemes have been tailored to suit different customer profiles and,in that sense,offer a great deal of choice.

The advantage of ULIP is that since the investments are made for long periods,the chances of earning a decent return are high.

Just as in the case of mutual funds,buyers who are risk averse can buy into money market fund while those who have an appetite for risk can opt for balanced or equity fund.

Unit linked education policy would be like a unit trust that comes with an insurance component.

The old insurance was not linked to a unit trust and all the money was invested in fixed deposits or TB's and bonds which register average returns.


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tom_boy
#7 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 9:09:00 PM
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Be carefull about this on the move guy,he is selling his business and will therefore be biased in the advice he gives..... understandably.

You need to be very clear in your mind what you are looking for. Do you want insurance or do you want investment? If you want investment,go for a unit trust. If you want insurance,go for a purely insurance product. These hybrid products they have nowadays are a rip off.

Anyway,why would one want to take life insurance on you child ( which is what education policy entails) The idea behind life assuarance is that when the life assuared passes on or suffers a calamity,the money is utilised by the dependants to sustain them. Now,you are not a dependant to your child so the life policy should be on you so that if you die,the money goes to your family. Then,take the other cash and put it in a unit trust to earn you maximum return ( this is assuming you dont want to invest it directly on NSE which can be cumbersome). Check the thread running last week on various unit trusts and decide which is best for you. The only problem with the unit trust is the initial cash you need to put in (for some of them) but i would rather go with zimele or africa alliance to start with rather than an insurance product. ( if what you want is investment with long term horizon)
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
doh
#8 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 10:24:00 PM
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@on the move

What insurance product would you have suggested I take then since you say it was old style ?

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on the move
#9 Posted : Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:15:00 AM
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@tom-boy,let me clarify again that what i do i consulting. You come to my office and i'll explain the merits and the disadvantages of each products.its for you to choose whats suits you. otherwise i dont push products. But i do agree with you on some areas
Pablo
#10 Posted : Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:47:00 AM
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I agree with tomboy. forget this education policies which promise you some amount after 5,10 ... years. The monthly commisions paid to the person who sold it to you is in the region of 20% of what you pay EACH MONTH. They will try and sell it to you at any cost.

If you annualize what is the return on this policies its life youll find that you are better off with a fixed deposit interest rate of 6% PER YEAR.

Best thing is buy a pure life insurance policy on your life which you renew annualy. Its dirt cheap. Possibly 10k per year. And with the balance directly buy shares at the stock exchange each month or each quarter. Shares like KCB,Equity,Kengen etc are solid by me.

My personal experience I started a school fees fund about 10 months ago for my 2 dayghters (1 and 3 yrs old) with about 150k I was given when my inlaws came to see the kids. I bough all equity. Now one year down the line this fund is now worth 525,000/- without adding a bob. If it was other solid shares like KCB youd still have > 200k. Now my problem is preventing myself from dipping my hand into this fund but the good thing is that KCB is offering my wife a loan 60% of the shares value amount to enhance her biashara.

And you know what,in 3 year time when my older toi starts primo. I will only pay school fees if I want to.


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adundo
#11 Posted : Monday, June 30, 2008 8:48:00 AM
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Thanks guys. I think i can now make my choice from an informed point.
tom_boy
#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:39:00 PM
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@ pablo

with reference to your statement below

Best thing is buy a pure life insurance policy on your life which you renew annualy. Its dirt cheap.

Which company do you know is offering such a policy. i have been searching for 2 years now and i am almost giving up.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
on the move
#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:57:00 PM
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Much happens in a years period and the recent events have proved me wrong.

My previous recommendation was based as at that time.

For your own sanity in investing for your kids education i'd say Pablo is right.
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