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KENOL/KOBIL
stocksmaster
#2021 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:20:16 PM
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[quote=mkonomtupu]PUMP N DUMP?

Fuel marketer KenolKobil is expanding along the east African coast with the hope of eventually becoming a takeover target for an Asian or Middle Eastern firm, its chairman and managing director said....
"We are developing a set of assets, an outfit, which would be a target for a takeover bid coming from India, China, Arabian Gulf players, or Malaysia."
http://www.businessdaily...0/-/f80ybo/-/index.html[/quote]

I have no problem with starting a business, running it profitably then selling it for a nice profit. I have done the same in Pharmaceuticals to handsome returns (Open a pharmacy, run it for a year, develop systems,volumes,clientele and then sell it with a nice goodwill) and start the cycle again...... this beats the returns of running the enterprise yourself.

I remember two weeks ago, i mentioned these reccurrent theme (take over target) in Kestrel's Investor Briefs and said i support the idea. The NBV becomes very critical in such a transaction (remember KK is trading at a price to book value of almost 1). With the assets being held at acquisition price (they shelved the idea of revaluing their assets this year), a revaluation of their assets with this real estate hype in Kenya would create a dramatic price to book value.

The price undercutting through this 'Deal Poa' now makes perfect sense as any suitor would be enticed by KK's market share which it is able to grow dramatically through the discounted pump prices.

Its also good to note that the company is set to meet its 2011 net profit target of $ 36m (Ksh 3.6B). This means a EPS of Ksh 2.44 and at current price of Ksh 9.50, a P/E of 3.89!!
With a total dividend of at Ksh 1 for 2011, this is a dividend yield of 10.5%. Not a bad return on investment as we await a wealthy buyer.........I like the way this man Segman thinks!

Happy hunting
youcan'tstopusnow
#2022 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:14:37 PM
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Cde, I'm sure Segman also wants his payday as soon as his stock options are exercisedsmile

GG, contrast the performance of Jubilee and Pan Africa. Still same industry.

The share has been battered the past few days. Now that the horse (Segman) has outlined his intentions, will the share respond as favourable as Sasini did to the 'real estate' story? Kesho 9.30 asubuhi...
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youcan'tstopusnow
#2023 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:17:09 PM
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Cde, I'm sure Segman also wants his payday as soon as his stock options are exercisedsmile

GG, contrast the performance of Jubilee and Pan Africa. Still same industry.

The share has been battered the past few days. Now that the horse (Segman) has outlined his intentions, will the share respond as favourable as Sasini did to the 'real estate' story? Kesho 9.30 asubuhi...
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
cnn
#2024 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:35:59 PM
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And for those who were thinking a profit warning there is your answer,the volatility of the shilling will reduce the end year earnings but a 50% growth in EPS share at full year is given.
@stocksmaster...very interesting the pharmaceutical play.
youcan'tstopusnow
#2025 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 5:25:02 PM
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The company now makes more than 60 percent of its profits from operations outside of Kenya, Segman said.

Ah! That should clear a few things up
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Cde Monomotapa
#2026 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:16:10 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
The company now makes more than 60 percent of its profits from operations outside of Kenya, Segman said.

Ah! That should clear a few things up

#sniff.sniff# yeah... Fresh air smile
Cde Monomotapa
#2027 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:19:51 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
[quote=mkonomtupu]PUMP N DUMP?

Fuel marketer KenolKobil is expanding along the east African coast with the hope of eventually becoming a takeover target for an Asian or Middle Eastern firm, its chairman and managing director said....
"We are developing a set of assets, an outfit, which would be a target for a takeover bid coming from India, China, Arabian Gulf players, or Malaysia."
http://www.businessdaily...0/-/f80ybo/-/index.html[/quote]

I have no problem with starting a business, running it profitably then selling it for a nice profit. I have done the same in Pharmaceuticals to handsome returns (Open a pharmacy, run it for a year, develop systems,volumes,clientele and then sell it with a nice goodwill) and start the cycle again...... this beats the returns of running the enterprise yourself.

I remember two weeks ago, i mentioned these reccurrent theme (take over target) in Kestrel's Investor Briefs and said i support the idea. The NBV becomes very critical in such a transaction (remember KK is trading at a price to book value of almost 1). With the assets being held at acquisition price (they shelved the idea of revaluing their assets this year), a revaluation of their assets with this real estate hype in Kenya would create a dramatic price to book value.

The price undercutting through this 'Deal Poa' now makes perfect sense as any suitor would be enticed by KK's market share which it is able to grow dramatically through the discounted pump prices.

Its also good to note that the company is set to meet its 2011 net profit target of $ 36m (Ksh 3.6B). This means a EPS of Ksh 2.44 and at current price of Ksh 9.50, a P/E of 3.89!!
With a total dividend of at Ksh 1 for 2011, this is a dividend yield of 10.5%. Not a bad return on investment as we await a wealthy buyer.........I like the way this man Segman thinks!

Happy hunting

I'm backing a KES 1.2 dividend for FY2011. #Sitting.pretty#
Gordon Gekko
#2028 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:14:09 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Cde, I'm sure Segman also wants his payday as soon as his stock options are exercisedsmile

GG, contrast the performance of Jubilee and Pan Africa. Still same industry.

The share has been battered the past few days. Now that the horse (Segman) has outlined his intentions, will the share respond as favourable as Sasini did to the 'real estate' story? Kesho 9.30 asubuhi...


I've always said, and on record that JHL is an investment company passing of as an insurance company - I actually compare it to Centum rather than Pan Africa.
youcan'tstopusnow
#2029 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:01:55 PM
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I'd say JUB is much better than the others at investing its premiums. Pan Africa had a few investments of their own which didn't stop a decline in profitability
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ammy
#2030 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:53:50 AM
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stocksmaster wrote:
[quote=mkonomtupu]PUMP N DUMP?

Fuel marketer KenolKobil is expanding along the east African coast with the hope of eventually becoming a takeover target for an Asian or Middle Eastern firm, its chairman and managing director said....
"We are developing a set of assets, an outfit, which would be a target for a takeover bid coming from India, China, Arabian Gulf players, or Malaysia."
http://www.businessdaily...0/-/f80ybo/-/index.html[/quote]

I have no problem with starting a business, running it profitably then selling it for a nice profit. I have done the same in Pharmaceuticals to handsome returns (Open a pharmacy, run it for a year, develop systems,volumes,clientele and then sell it with a nice goodwill) and start the cycle again...... this beats the returns of running the enterprise yourself.

I remember two weeks ago, i mentioned these reccurrent theme (take over target) in Kestrel's Investor Briefs and said i support the idea. The NBV becomes very critical in such a transaction (remember KK is trading at a price to book value of almost 1). With the assets being held at acquisition price (they shelved the idea of revaluing their assets this year), a revaluation of their assets with this real estate hype in Kenya would create a dramatic price to book value.

The price undercutting through this 'Deal Poa' now makes perfect sense as any suitor would be enticed by KK's market share which it is able to grow dramatically through the discounted pump prices.

Its also good to note that the company is set to meet its 2011 net profit target of $ 36m (Ksh 3.6B). This means a EPS of Ksh 2.44 and at current price of Ksh 9.50, a P/E of 3.89!!
With a total dividend of at Ksh 1 for 2011, this is a dividend yield of 10.5%. Not a bad return on investment as we await a wealthy buyer.........I like the way this man Segman thinks!

Happy hunting

I like how your thinking however if you look through the article again, segman does not mention kenya as one of themost profitable regions. its zambia, Tanzania and Rwanda and already in zambia and tanzania, the company has invested heavily in storage facilities hence the profits. I think deal poa is just a way to get more customers as well as increase market share, a game that airtel, celtel, kencell whatever have been playing for the longest time then ultimately sell the company for huge profits.
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Aguytrying
#2031 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:21:33 AM
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@ammy. However, difference is kenol is the market leader and making huge profits. You cant say the same about airtel. What they've done in kenya is to increase the volume of sales, and reducing the margin. They are still making good profits here, and kenya is still the largest single country they are in. I like how the company is reducing its reliance in kenya. Hadn't they not done that, they could've been in total kenya's shoes. I've also been thinking, with the oil in uganda, s. Sudan. Large oil multinationals are already showing a keen interest in the region, in exploration. The next thing is retail ie supplying that oil. Hello, kenol kobil.
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Impunity
#2032 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:45:57 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@ammy. However, difference is kenol is the market leader and making huge profits. You cant say the same about airtel. What they've done in kenya is to increase the volume of sales, and reducing the margin. They are still making good profits here, and kenya is still the largest single country they are in. I like how the company is reducing its reliance in kenya. Hadn't they not done that, they could've been in total kenya's shoes. I've also been thinking, with the oil in uganda, s. Sudan. Large oil multinationals are already showing a keen interest in the region, in exploration. The next thing is retail ie supplying that oil. Hello, kenol kobil.


But why stategise to be taken over?
How wil this affect the chair price when the time come?
Sad
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Aguytrying
#2033 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:15:02 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@ammy. However, difference is kenol is the market leader and making huge profits. You cant say the same about airtel. What they've done in kenya is to increase the volume of sales, and reducing the margin. They are still making good profits here, and kenya is still the largest single country they are in. I like how the company is reducing its reliance in kenya. Hadn't they not done that, they could've been in total kenya's shoes. I've also been thinking, with the oil in uganda, s. Sudan. Large oil multinationals are already showing a keen interest in the region, in exploration. The next thing is retail ie supplying that oil. Hello, kenol kobil.


But why stategise to be taken over?
How wil this affect the chair price when the time come?
Sad


You better turn that frown into a smile, when a company is taken over or takes over another company the share price shoots up into the sky. remember scan group? Being taken over is the pay day, and when a company is doing so well it wont be taken over at a throw away price, it will be awesome.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Aguytrying
#2034 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:53:06 AM
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Please anyone with the kestrel capital report on kenol kobil, please send it to me here. aguydsk@gmail.com. regards.
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Hunderwear
#2035 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:03:02 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Please anyone with the kestrel capital report on kenol kobil, please send it to me here. aguydsk@gmail.com. regards.

Its in their website cant send it to you now coz am using phone to browse
ammy
#2036 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:28:58 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@ammy. However, difference is kenol is the market leader and making huge profits. You cant say the same about airtel. What they've done in kenya is to increase the volume of sales, and reducing the margin. They are still making good profits here, and kenya is still the largest single country they are in. I like how the company is reducing its reliance in kenya. Hadn't they not done that, they could've been in total kenya's shoes. I've also been thinking, with the oil in uganda, s. Sudan. Large oil multinationals are already showing a keen interest in the region, in exploration. The next thing is retail ie supplying that oil. Hello, kenol kobil.


But why stategise to be taken over?
How wil this affect the chair price when the time come?
Sad
word on the Street is that Mr Segman was misquoted... lets wait for a statement if any. Sorry to those hopefuls. then again where there is smoke, there is fire

You better turn that frown into a smile, when a company is taken over or takes over another company the share price shoots up into the sky. remember scan group? Being taken over is the pay day, and when a company is doing so well it wont be taken over at a throw away price, it will be awesome.

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ammy
#2037 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:32:31 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Please anyone with the kestrel capital report on kenol kobil, please send it to me here. aguydsk@gmail.com. regards.

http://www.kenolkobil.co...eport%20september11.pdf
i will email it to you shortly
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Realtreaty
#2038 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2011 6:47:29 PM
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Applause Applause Keep it in man segman!smile We have seen you do great and soon we will see the stock price rise to its 70s. KK has been growing well and could be the landing for petroleum companies from Asia and middleeast. Hope soon KK will be setting storage facilities especially in Thika, and Malaba to cushion its suppliessmile smile Drool
Aguytrying wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@ammy. However, difference is kenol is the market leader and making huge profits. You cant say the same about airtel. What they've done in kenya is to increase the volume of sales, and reducing the margin. They are still making good profits here, and kenya is still the largest single country they are in. I like how the company is reducing its reliance in kenya. Hadn't they not done that, they could've been in total kenya's shoes. I've also been thinking, with the oil in uganda, s. Sudan. Large oil multinationals are already showing a keen interest in the region, in exploration. The next thing is retail ie supplying that oil. Hello, kenol kobil.


But why stategise to be taken over?
How wil this affect the chair price when the time come?
Sad


You better turn that frown into a smile, when a company is taken over or takes over another company the share price shoots up into the sky. remember scan group? Being taken over is the pay day, and when a company is doing so well it wont be taken over at a throw away price, it will be awesome.

VituVingiSana
#2039 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:52:20 PM
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70/-??? LOL... I wish but probably a dream for 2012 or 2013 or 2014... unless the KES hits 200/US$
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Impunity
#2040 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:54:25 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
70/-??? LOL... I wish but probably a dream for 2012 or 2013 or 2014... unless the KES hits 200/US$


But 30iish is in the offing in the foreseeable future.
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