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mapozi
#1 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:16:54 AM
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Hi fellow wazuans,

Just wondering coz I have never seen a post to do with mortgages.
Since this is a smart people's forum, please advise on how one can make mortgages work for them.
I am pretty young. would it be wise for me to take out a mortgage?
What are the major considerations I should take into account?
Gordon Gekko
#2 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 8:34:19 AM
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Use the search facility and enter the word 'Mortgages'
Eng. Kamau
#3 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 11:50:15 AM
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The best thing with a mortgage is that interest rate for the mortgage is lower than the rate at which the value of the house increases. After some years as you continue to re-pay your mortgage, you will realize that the property is valued much more than your mortgage. At such a point if your financial institution can agree,(which most of them do depending on their terms and conditions) you can then sell the house, clear your mortgage and pocket the gains. Compare the financial institutions that offer mortgages and pick the best. Visit these institutions and they will be happy to take you through step by step and answer all your questions. Make sure you read and understand their terms and conditions for the mortgage before you sign on the dotted line.If you qualify for a mortgage and you have identified a property in a good location ( where the prices are rising )then a mortgage can be a nice deal and can work for you.
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TPK
#4 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 12:24:07 PM
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mapozi wrote:
Hi fellow wazuans,

Just wondering coz I have never seen a post to do with mortgages.
Since this is a smart people's forum, please advise on how one can make mortgages work for them.
I am pretty young. would it be wise for me to take out a mortgage?
What are the major considerations I should take into account?


Avoid a mortgage like the plague..they are just too expensive in Kenya... How do you pay 15-17% for 10 years!!! my advice is be a disciplined saver and start investing small with your savings...look around carefully how you can build build an income stream at minimal cost e.g.low cost houses for rent, without having to take a loan...I know places where guys are investing in plots worth 600k, they construct 22 single units without a slab on the plot at a cost of 1.8m. Each is rented for 2k. 44k per month is not bad for 2.4m investment. Key as I said is save save save.....so you can raise the initial capital.
As long as you're going to be thinking anyway, think big
african coloner
#5 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 1:02:27 PM
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Avoid a mortgage like the plague..they are just too expensive in Kenya... How do you pay 15-17% for 10 years!!! my advice is be a disciplined saver and start investing small with your savings...look around carefully how you can build build an income stream at minimal cost e.g.low cost houses for rent, without having to take a loan...I know places where guys are investing in plots worth 600k, they construct 22 single units without a slab on the plot at a cost of 1.8m. Each is rented for 2k. 44k per month is not bad for 2.4m investment. Key as I said is save save save.....so you can raise the initial capital.[/quote]

where can i get those plots?
tony stark
#6 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 1:14:53 PM
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TPK wrote:
mapozi wrote:
Hi fellow wazuans,

Just wondering coz I have never seen a post to do with mortgages.
Since this is a smart people's forum, please advise on how one can make mortgages work for them.
I am pretty young. would it be wise for me to take out a mortgage?
What are the major considerations I should take into account?


Avoid a mortgage like the plague..they are just too expensive in Kenya... How do you pay 15-17% for 10 years!!! my advice is be a disciplined saver and start investing small with your savings...look around carefully how you can build build an income stream at minimal cost e.g.low cost houses for rent, without having to take a loan...I know places where guys are investing in plots worth 600k, they construct 22 single units without a slab on the plot at a cost of 1.8m. Each is rented for 2k. 44k per month is not bad for 2.4m investment. Key as I said is save save save.....so you can raise the initial capital.

As you save small small the value of the house increases big big....
Mortgages are necessary evils.
You get rich by using other peoples money!
Mkimwa
#7 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 2:14:44 PM
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Speaking from an investment point of view (strictly), buying a house is the worst form of investment, very low rate of return - normally less than your cost of finance.

As an asset, it could pass.. so know that you are taking a mortgage for an asset, not as an investment.
groupielove
#8 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 2:29:13 PM
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african coloner wrote:


Avoid a mortgage like the plague..they are just too expensive in Kenya... How do you pay 15-17% for 10 years!!! my advice is be a disciplined saver and start investing small with your savings...look around carefully how you can build build an income stream at minimal cost e.g.low cost houses for rent, without having to take a loan...I know places where guys are investing in plots worth 600k, they construct 22 single units without a slab on the plot at a cost of 1.8m. Each is rented for 2k. 44k per month is not bad for 2.4m investment. Key as I said is save save save.....so you can raise the initial capital.


where can i get those plots?[/quote]
If you do your mathematics right, you will realise there is more benefits in Morgage than saving. If you are to buy a house costing 10m, before you save this amount the house will be worth more than 20m. But if you include the value you will pay for the morgage and the interest, it wont surpass 15m. Ask yourself why the rich are going for morgages and not saving for purchases.
tony stark
#9 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 2:41:15 PM
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Mkimwa wrote:
Speaking from an investment point of view (strictly), buying a house is the worst form of investment, very low rate of return - normally less than your cost of finance.

As an asset, it could pass.. so know that you are taking a mortgage for an asset, not as an investment.

I agree with you speaking strictly a house to live in might not be a a good investment.

But unstrictly speaking on investment the value of staying in your own home is not easy to quantify financially. For example I would hypothesize that getting a mortgage to buy your live in house can increase your drive and functionality. The prospect of failing to meet your obligation and your family being kicked out will make you worker harder think faster and smarter etc ....... how would you quantify that in monetary terms??

Either way a mortgage is a good idea, you reduce you tax, the insurance with your mortgage will pay for your house upon your untimely demise, it is a form of saving etc etc!!!
mapozi
#10 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 3:01:53 PM
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Learning a lot.
Glad I joined wazua, lets keep going with the opinions, experiences, etc etc
jaggernaut
#11 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 7:50:22 PM
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Personally decided not to tie myself to 20 yr mortgage . Instead of Mortgage deposit, bought land. Then got 6yr repayment bank loan and put up house in 6months . Did 75% completion on house and moved in. Doing rest of finishings pole pole. Will clear bank loan in next 4yrs. I believe it's cheaper this way.
mukiha
#12 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 11:01:14 AM
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mapozi wrote:
Hi fellow wazuans,

Just wondering coz I have never seen a post to do with mortgages.
Since this is a smart people's forum, please advise on how one can make mortgages work for them.
I am pretty young. would it be wise for me to take out a mortgage?
What are the major considerations I should take into account?


We have discussed this matter before, but it doesn't hurt to repeat a good discussion.

This is what I advise: If you think you can afford 50k pm, then take a mortgage which requires you to pay 40k pm, but continue paying 50k pm. the extra 10k will help reduce your principal balance by a big margin.

And if something happens along the way, say you loose your job, you will be so far ahead in your payments that you will be able to relax for several months without making any payments before the financier sends you a default letter.

I am not very much for building your own house. I know it is cheaper than buying, but I think it is difficult to get a plot in a location that has all infrastructural facilities in place. There might be water, but no power, or no tarmac access to the main road...

But that's a different discussion for a different thread....and we've had it before...

My personal experience: I took out a mortgage in 2002 which required about 31k pm, but I paid 40k for about a year then increased it to 50k for about six months. Then the worst happened - I was fired from my job!

I recalculated my minimum required payments and it came to 25k. So I struggled to pay 30k for several months. Then things started improving financially and I increased it to 35k.

A couple of years later, I checked the balance and the minimum payment required. the bal was about 1m needing about 17k pm for the remaining period.

I cashed out my pension (which was earning a paltry 8%) and cleared the mortgage.

In the meantime.....
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
mukiha
#13 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 11:03:39 AM
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.....rent in the estate at the time I was taking the mortgage was going at about 17k. By the time I cleared the loan, the rents had climbed to 30k.

The value of the house had tripled!
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
african coloner
#14 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 12:10:07 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
Personally decided not to tie myself to 20 yr mortgage . Instead of Mortgage deposit, bought land. Then got 6yr repayment bank loan and put up house in 6months . Did 75% completion on house and moved in. Doing rest of finishings pole pole. Will clear bank loan in next 4yrs. I believe it's cheaper this way.



what was the interest rate? by how much did you pay back?
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