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Ruto is terrified
willin2learn
#71 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:04:00 AM
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......I guess he did not like what he saw when his plane overflew Hague on his way back from Amsterdam..
Mwendabio
#72 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:19:00 AM
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@ surealligator,your account of events,if proven true,does not amount to 'spontaneous' meaning that some supporters were well briefed before the match to cause war and mayhem. The planners and the foot soldiers need to be held accountable. The authors of such information should be able to support the charges in Waki's report to provide credible evidence that indeed planned and spontaneous fighting occured both before and after the elections. Whether planned or spontaneous,a crime is a crime and is a crime.

@ pondi,that is the politics of justice. Kenyans want to see how this matter will be handled by parties,the government,and individual leaders. In my mind,a new coonstitution is needed urgently as new elections approach next year or latest by 2010. Amidst all these events,something has to give. I see an early election in Kenya. Parties break up and the Cabinet cannot hold on the account of the 2007 election mess. Kenyans,please do not vote in tribal war lords and people who want to perpertuate impunity. Your vote is your power to a new start,every now and again. Just as Ruto tells his Kalenjin folks to wake up,I ask Kenyans to wake up!



Better to have stolen,than to be caught stealing!
Obi 1 Kanobi
#73 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:46:00 AM
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@ Pondi

That email seems to have been drafted by the same guy who drafted the supposed MOU between Raila and the Muslims that did the rounds before the elections. Its meant to divide and rule.


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Ngalaka
#74 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:37:00 AM
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Nobody has any doubt anymore that Ruto is terrified to death.
The evil marriage that is ODM,is coming to and end,just as soon as it came into being.
Look at the cracks,nay fissures,in the outfit,unpatchable.
ODM was clandestinely bought from one Imanyara by a serial evil schemmer and party wrecker/changer. How do you purchase a party for purposes of ruling Kenya - read bad faith. The buyer has a history of such purchases,remember NDP of Oludhe fellow.
Odm was founded on evil,and sewn together by evil designs for evil goals,hence would never have lasted.
The glue keeping it together was the hatred of some people (evil). The premise of its existence and propagation was evil.


Things arent always the way they look like
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
timber
#75 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:00:00 PM
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@strategist You had a good take and i think the Ruto side saw it coming and put the house in order.
I think we kenyans are ruled by level of hypocrisy( unafiki) we tend to speak double while still hiding on our tribal caccons.
@steve m and others,I think its a damn shame when you say that were it not for kalenjins unleashing terror in rift valley then the luos and luhyas would not have been killed.Did luos and luhyas hack kikuyus to death in their places? No why then were they killed by Mungiki its because kikuyus were revenging and they could not afford to follow the kalenjins so instead they looked on Luos and Luhyas.Were those killed in revenge not people and instead of kikuyus killing kales they killed luos an d some luhyas cause they were in ODM.Isnt that what beth mugo talked and most kikuyu leaders talk; that the deaths occured in rift valley were planned and they died more and the deaths which occured later were cause of revenge only???That is what every gema fellow thinks deep down but talks of selective justice later on.

- This shows that GEMA community deaths are so painful than other deaths,it means there are people who are special here in kenya.C'mon lets put the rubbish aside Kikuyus are only feeling for themselves and only Ruto to be hanged but their kinsmen who organised the deaths for others only revenged so they did not kill 'much' and others dont feel the pain like they do.So please can we stop hypocrisy and face the situation head on and if its hanging everyone should be hanged but lets not hide and talk of Ruto only while others who killed are talked in periphery.

@ pondi what you are saying is feasible but not realistic.The problems in rift valley cannot be solved by kalenjins colluding with their perrenial victims kikuyus by giving them land back!! Then what after kikuyus have their land back?Kikuyus will continue to work hard and till their land and in next 10 or so years kalenjins will not have the land as they would have sold all of it due to economic power and then the youths of kalenjins shall be jobless and accesibility to economic resources will be minimal thus develop hatred again slowly. Talking of kalenjins and kikuyus cohabitating its possible but hard due to the cultural difference and suspicion.Kikuyus shall never forget kalenjins though they can forget,kikuyus were driven to rift valley for economic purposes and are working hard to meet their demands. Uhuru and ruto in pact? what will that make,kalenjins and kikuyus?? Kalenjins do not need to pact with a person or tribe to survive what kalenjins need as ruto said is that they need a constitution where all problems shall be resolved and election shall not be an issue of tribal competition which develops hatred on top of underlying issues like land and resources whether its perceptional or reality. Similarly Moi has been there for 24 yrs and he did not put kalenjins at economic independence but rather he developed them a mentality or relaxing without hard work though they have fertile land,he did not push them to education en masse and mostly important did not instill the enterpreneurship attitude while Moi himself was closing down rivatex,milk firms e.t.c and developing white elephants projects which were non-beneficial to kalenjins.So kalenjins dont need pacts what they need is being enterpreurial,hardwork and a constitution which will protect their leadership and resources where neccesary.

What we need is developing a constitution of parliamentary system cause even if we hang ruto and michuki today does that mean it will end the war in future?? If we cant resolve the real issues as Ruto is saying then not only shall we see more deaths in future but what it will come will be a disaster itself,it was not what odm or pnu was saying it was something hatred which was developing towards other communities be it perception or not they need to be resolved constitutional and this is the right time as constitution is written during or after crisis.

Lets be realistic and face the issues not hypocritical and avoid things in future not postponing them.

Mchumia Juani hula Kivulini
muekezaji
#76 Posted: : Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:11:00 PM
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@pondi

Kikuyus have been in opposition for 24 yrs didnt they create wealth more than the kalenjins who were in power?? Creating wealthy is not being close to power but its through hardwork and more hardwok if you think being in goverment will propel you to welath then you are wrong,its hardwork and there is no short cut.

I dont think kikuyus do need kalenjins,Kikuyus are kenyans like any other person and need a good enviroment where there shall not be any hatred and perceptions which are not true but facts,and for this kikuyus can collaborate with any kenyan for prosperity and hardwork but not political.

Bidii yangu
Kaigangio
#77 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:40:00 PM
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@ all

Why is that the waki report is only sending earthquakes if not tremours in the ODM camps and not PNU despite the fact that members of both camps have been named in that secret envelope?


NEVER TALK OF A RHINO IF THERE IS NO TREE NEAREBY - ZULU PROVERB
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Willy
#78 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:08:00 PM
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NO AMOUNT OF WORDS MAY EVER CHANGE THE TRUTH.

Ukiung'wafua mnofu,ujue kuna na kuguguna mfupa.
mononjeru
#79 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:09:00 PM
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Why is it that most non-gema tribes seem to harbour a deep hatred of kikuyu saying they have 'eaten' coz they were in power?Yet they dont mention the Kalenjin(moi) who have been in power for 24yrs( 2 decades!!) more than combined Kenyatta-14yrs + Kibaki 5yrs?

Doesn't make sense to me.Wish we could Waki the whole lot of thieving,killing bastards!! - Raila,Ruto,Kibaki,Uhuru,most if not ALL Rift Valley MPS!!! and START AFRESH with young DE-TRIBALISED leaders.
Sigiriri
#80 Posted : Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:23:00 AM
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What is all this about? The kind of posts coming up now look a lot like what we had early in the year - wasn't good at all.

Do you know why TZ pple hate Kenyans so much? Because Kenyans are hardworking and they love to seat and wait for ujamaa s*%t!! Now,whether you are nilote,bantu,cushite or whatever,they will still call you a Kenyan! So can we stop this tribal chatter and realise that you are Kenyan first,then whatever else!!

The Waki report whether locally implemented or at Hague,will see light of day! KENYANS mentioned in there will somehow be taken to book. If not this report,the blood of the slain is on the ground,crying out for justice to be done,and like Cain they will be punished.

The only thing these KENYANS can do is come out like the Rwandese killers and confess. This will help healing the land - which is more important than a few KENYANS 'hanging by the neck until dead!'



Bidii yangu
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