@b timer

Read the fine lines of politics again.Yesterday the country top legal advises had given legal interpretation and he even said that we may to wait a little bit longer before names of prominent politicians are mentioned in the public or taken anywhere for that matter.- He even said the evidence of waki commision is credible but not enough to vindict the named persons as it has no sufficient evidence to prosecute criminal proceeding.Why? He said untill the tribunal to be formed so that the mentioned can have the time to defend themselves as other allegations may be unfounded'.

- About hague,he even said the sovereignity of the nation will be upheld as the international has given the country power to make prosecution and it is when they will be not capable that is when they will need international assistance.
-He still said talking about hague is premature as the ICC should be furnished sufficient criminal proceedings to take action by the member country and as of now the commision has given the names but the commision itself has said that the alleged mentioned must be given time to defend the accusation in the tribunal and it is in the tribunal that shall verify the names as evidence may not be that much.

Who will form the tribunal?The president after the cabinet discusses it.The cabinet where both PNU and ODM leadership is implicated.Guess yourself.

Have you heard the americans or the british(the big boys) commenting on the hague or its relation?No.Why.As i said earlier. The big boys what they want is only peace to prevail and investigate the cause of violence and implementation of new consitution and agenda 4.Talking about commision kivuitu can be the sacrificial lamd as he has no political weight.

Welcome to politics brother!!!!!

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@njunge and co.

If talking my mind on what should be done factually then let them be rants and raves but the correct facts shall remain as they are. I am not supporting RV guys at all if ruto and his colleagues have been impilicated they should be given time to substantiate their claims in the tribunal and if found guilty let them be prosecuted,Similarly if Uhuru kenyatta Muthaura and co have also been implicated then they should be given the same treatment as there colleagues in RV. Its naive when the word 'hague' is used to threaten and tell the leaders from RV to face justice and taken to hague as they killed and butchered people while leaders from central are to given time to defend themselves and what they did was retaliatory. Yesterday beth mugo in a meeting said that prosecution should start from where violence started,as naivasha was later??Arrogant tribalist.Didnt the families in naivasha and those shot by police not the same as those who were burnt in kiambaa church and hacked to death in RV?

The reality is that we are hypocrites hiding underneath our tribal sentiments but outside we are saying we want justice to all.Justice to all is gulloting of heads of Ruto,UK,bett kosgey muthaura e.t.c not selective justice as we are witnessing and if not looked carefully shall lead to more deaths in future. Pain cannot be felt from one side if both sides have been experiencing pain.Is anyone special or more important than others No?If everyone is equal then let justice be followed to later.The state houe was implicated and the RV leaders were impilcated too as the waki report said ammunitions were asembled in one leader home in RV and state house sponsored militia.If it will force the coaltion to break up cause state house will be taken to hague so be it and RV leaders and likes of Nyongo and even raila and kibaki. Ending impunity is not using tribal undertomes and vindicting one side am telling yoou it shall never happen and if tried then worst have not been seen yet.

Let grand coaltion collapse if waki report is to be fully implemented and we either return to ballot or bullet but after that we shall be respectfully and justice shall be followed to later and obeyed by all.Not talking impunity,hague and kuhara et el based on tribalsim .If its kuhara then i guess the people who need to kuhara are the state house ilk and RV leaders.
By the way my brothers tribalism is still there and lets not be hypocrytes that haiko,what we need to have is positive tribalism.

@mwendambio
Hit the truth where it needs.Kudos for unbiased opinion.

Investing is tricky

Ruto definitely knows that his name is in 'some envelope' that is in Annan's office. It is clear that Waki named suspects who will then need to be further investigated. However,he also provided sealed evidence,acknowledging that the evidence,though credible,may not be sufficient. The rantings by the likes of Ruto only proves he is ill bent to further fuel animosity through the tribal card. A country that burns through justice emerges stronger,and Kenya is at that point. It is now or never. About Mutua,I say it is easy and possible to plan revenge before the attacks happen...this is very possible and it happened at State House and the hotel as written in the Waki report. Waki is not mad to put such things down if they are just rumours...he has facts to back him up. NSIS provided election results scenarios which could be used to plan such revenge attacks well before the attacks actually happen. If someone wanted to rig the polls and had access to the NSIS report,what would stop them from planning the revenge before the attacks happen? The NSIS already had predicted that attacks would happen,is this also madness and illogical as Mutua puts it? No need for Ruto,Mutua,and the likes to play around with the ignorance of the masses. If someone wants to know whether the elections were rigged or not,they should check the 'lame' Kriegler report. Waki was dealing with the post-election violence. So,it is a chicken and egg situation: who is the criminal here? is it the guy who rigged the elections or the guy who violently opposed the rigged elections? So,it is Kriegler who failed by not having his own envelope of names of the perpetrators of the flawed election. To me these are the real culprits! There would have been two envelopes: those who planned and supervised the rigging (Kriegler's envelope) versus those who planned and supervised the violence and counter-violence (Waki's envelope); both are guilty in equal measure,none greater or lesser than the other due to the sequence of the events. Period. Hear the rants: 'Rigging happened first so there was violence (Rift Valley),the bigger culprits are the riggers (State House and cronies),not us',and another 'We organized counter-violence (revenge - Naivasha,Nakuru) as a result of the initial violence (Rift Valley),so we are the last in the chain and so the least guilty',yet others (Police) 'We were protecting property and lives (by killing innocent lives in Kisumu and Kakamega,in deed the bullets on Luos and Luyhias were not called for at all. Why were bullets shot on guys stoning and burning buildings more than guys taking others' lives??)' These lot should all be tried and fixed for Kenya to move forward!!! If this means another fire of 'tribal' violence,so be it. If it is the end of the grand coalition,so what? A just society shall be borne with new leaders. Justice has no tribal boundaries,all seek it equally! @ timber,bravo for the candid picture.


Better to have stolen,than to be caught stealing!

Indeed,Waki did a splendid job by naming suspects within the terms of reference of his Commission,and within the time and resources available to him. It is now for others to investigate further (where necessary) and prosecute according to the law. If you and/or your actual female relations (wife,mother,daughter,sister,etc) was raped and had the genitalia mutiliated by a group of zealous men (whether in uniform or not),or your male relations (husband,father,son,etc) was sodomized,slaughtered and butchered,and or if you are now currently an IDP then you only now care about one thing: JUSTICE. If you cannot feel it then you were not affected and the word means nothing to you,probably you are driving your Mercedes,Toyota and you have your fridge with goodies and some money in your account and so FORGIVENESS makes sense. Ndung'u Report and other similar reports should also be brought forth!! Let it be a war between justice and injustice and we wait to see the tribal divide here!! All the guilty entities are terrified,let them face the hook. Never again shall my friends and relations be subjected to such cruelty. Never. The presence of fire does not necessarily mean that a house (or good thing) is burning (destroyed)! It could as well mean that a mad dog (or a bad thing) is burning (destroyed)!! This is the meaning of moving forward...burning the debris,the piling garbage and buildiing a society based on justice and the rule of law. If this means another period of war,then this time it will be the right war.






Better to have stolen,than to be caught stealing!

From the public debate all over the press,am assuming that RAO's name is not on the list. Now,thats queer coz a good number of people were killed in kibera. Olympic estate was razed down where many mt kenya people stayed. Not that i have anything against him,but i just find it weird.
Why is it that WR is the only one raving and ranting? SN of Kisii was caught on camera organizing youths (chinkororo) to clobber WR,Magara et al during the campaigns. The guys were even admitted to NBI hospital. MK in state hse did nothing,said nothing,heard nothing. So the question is,...does WR also want SN of Kisii to also go scot free for what he did to him?