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Plse close your CDS account
Mainat
#1 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:10:00 PM
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Peter Mwangi (NSE CEO),would like you to close your NSE account and open a unit trust fund or the equivalent or just go away. Having eating heartily from your participation in the NSE between 2003-6,he no longer needs your custom...

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Mpenzi
#2 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 3:08:00 AM
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What are you on about? Give us a link.
mukiha
#3 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 5:06:00 AM
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'NSE ACCOUNTS TOO MANY,SAYS BOURSE CHIEF'

Daily Nation 17 Sept 2009

Page 28

Behind the gardens...Behind the wall...Under the tree (Including: Red...Dark Blue...Yellow)
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
Kamaa
#4 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 5:53:00 AM
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si aanze na yake...

you've heard me..
When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend
Kausha
#5 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 6:30:00 AM
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This was taken out of context by a tweet journo - not surprised though,given that the chengad media bill. I was at the function and what he was opining on was perhaps retail investors are best served by unit trusts than pure exposure to shares as a way of tapping into the expertise of the fund manager and only those who are very brave or have the inside lane should have pure exposure. This is the practice in the advanced market,retail investors typically buy unit trusts and rarely do they get pure exposure unless those sophisticated enough.

He gave the example of SA which only has 500k cds accounts never mind being a much bigger market by far than NSE. He also gave the example of france (i think) which is even larger than SA and only has slightly above 800k cds accounts yet we have 1.4m accounts for such a small market and lots of retailers crying and in all sorts of trouble with rogue brokers...he may have a point considering if you look at brokers tumbling you are unlikely to see a fund manager complaining or exposed. And also lets face it even in SK here,none of us can beat the best two fund manager returns in town over a 3 year period for obvious reasons
ecstacy
#6 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 7:01:00 AM
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Baff1. after going for volume in IPOs & picking up Wanjiku's pennies,now he has a problem with the number of accounts??

Baff2. Reminds me of the SCOM management. If you had no problem structuring an IPO for Wanjikus,then treat them as you did during the initial offering. Do a share buyback immediately instead of belittling these East Africans who have entrusted you with their hard earned coins.
Mpenzi
#7 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 7:35:00 AM
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@ecstacy
read Kausha's take on the speech by the NSE boss
ecstacy
#8 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 8:05:00 AM
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If he were suggesting that going forward retail investors pool up and invest through equity funds managed by experienced fund managers,that is all well and good.

But if he is lamenting the current existence of 1.3Million CDS accounts which I think he is,I ask,where was he when the IPO's were being marketed to Wanjiku to 'share the national cake'? Equity funds existed long before this. Nothing he said is new. Each financial market has its own dynamics.How about focus on getting this 1.3M accounts investing on a regular basis?

I respect the dude but he should focus on investor education rather than make comparisons which do not add much value to Wanjiku without further actions.
Elephant Man
#9 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 10:33:00 AM
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Could it be that many of the CDS accounts were the results of multiple applications by individuals during the Kengen and Safcom IPO's?

A number of people registered using ID's for all their rela's and domestic staff and cashed in on the first few days of trading!

The Registrar of Companies was also inundated with new registration applications for companies just prior to these IPO's. Could there have been a link?

If Mwangi digs deeper he may find that many CDS accounts were 'emptied' in the early days or weeks after the IPO's were listed for trading and have been dormant ever since!

This is not peculiar to this market or any other.....
Mkimwa
#10 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 12:23:00 PM
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I have 2 CDS accounts,one using my National ID,the other using my passport - mainly to benefit from the Kengen IPO. And boy,did I..

I guess i should close one.. but then again.. why should I? Niende kupanga line and filling in forms? Can i transfer the shares from one account to the other,without them having to go through the market? Kama siwezi.. wacha ikae.
mukiha
#11 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 2:15:00 PM
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I think 1.3 million CDSC accounts are a good thing...something to be proud of!!!

It means that Kenyans are investment savvy.

What the NSE boss did not mention is that NSE has only 50-odd listed companies,while JSE has 400+ and Bourse de Paris has ... thousands,I believe...

When there are that many companies to chose from,Wanjiku get's confused and HE naturally moves into a collective scheme.....

Behind the gardens...Behind the wall...Under the tree (Including: Red...Dark Blue...Yellow)
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
flipthecoin
#12 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 2:54:00 PM
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Good suggestion which may be beneficial to the masses.The downside is that he hasn't together with other players at the bourse tackled the real issues - ignorance,failed intermediaries and the fiasco that is safcon.with many still equating nse with the devil that is defined by the myriad problems,he can keeping ranting till the cows come calling with the advice drawing a blank.

Circumstance does not make the man; it reveals him to himself............... 'James Allen'
Mainat
#13 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 6:49:00 PM
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I think this is typical NSE head in the sand mentality when things are not going well i.e. volumes are anaemic.
The issue of too many cds accounts (and there are not bcos one broker in the Uk has that many retail investors on its own) can be resolved by technology and save the brokers costs on staff


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VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Sunday, September 20, 2009 11:24:00 PM
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@mainat: the commission structure discourages trading

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
The Real Shaft
#15 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:09:00 PM
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it is like...

building a dam to collect water......

when it collects and about to burst....

you start blaming the water...

claiming that the water is too much ....... where do we get off...???




I'm the real Massey F.....shut your mouth
I'm the real Massey Fergu...... Shut your mouth....
FundamentAli
#16 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:47:00 AM
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In this era of automation,the more the better. Banks chased away small customers claiming they are expensive some time back only to go back to them begging them to reopen accounts with less strict terms. They discovered even dealing with the big boys can be risky. How can that be with computers and ATM machines? It was not logical. CDSC needs to upgrade its system to take care of as many customers as possible. Cost is not a factor neither the number of staff. They make money by sending us sms on transaction and statement. They need to strengthen their systems and understand the numbers are not the problem but intergrity. Our market is not sophiscated with only 40 or so active counters. It is easy to analyse the stocks on your own. If the bourse had more than 2000 counters,then you need a financial analyist to seive through that kind of information hence the need to invest through an expert.



Baada ya dhiki,faaraja
The General
#17 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:58:00 AM
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@ Fundamentali,

Well put. To support your comments: Ethics holds key to honest trade at NSE

Interesting comment the Prof made on awards.

The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
Hi-Lo
#18 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:26:00 AM
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@f.ali...u r right...but on technology the NSE is tops...the ATS (made by Sri Lanka Tamil tigers) was implemented at NSE as the gunea pig (untried elsewhere except Colombo SX!!)...but it's turned out a great software that Boston SX implemented recently and London SX is implementing this week...to upgrade from 200,000 to 1m transactions per sec...clearly NSE can handles lots of accounts technically...

Playing the stock market without insider info...is like buying a cow in the moonlight.
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