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Rank: Member Joined: 5/2/2007 Posts: 536
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@mukiha I hope you get the right hires.
Just curious: what would you rate highest from you hires/potential hires:
1) Technical/Subject Matter knowledge & competence 2) Reliability & dependability(I guess time keeping falls within this) 3) Honesty & Integrity
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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'user' wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Let me play devil's advocate.
Not all people are the same when it comes to their concept of time. People who are artistic or the creative type work in a state of suspended time. They get involved in a project and time ceases to exist. They can go on for hours on end when they have it going and then sleep or just forget appointments when not doing their thing. If you are recruiting people for creative jobs for example designers, musicians, paint or sculpture artists you have to work within their times. The very good ones don't know how to keep time.
Let me tell you of people you may have come across; computer programmers. If you had an interview for computer programmers and gave them an appointment for 10am you will not be wrong if you send away all those who show up on time and even up to an hour late. The very good ones will show up around 11.30 if they show up at all. I have several good friends, extremely brilliant guys who are able to see things that nobody sees and come up with brilliant out of this world solutions. These guys don't know what time is. If you want to see them you ask where they are and you go to them, you never tell them to meet you at a specific place at a certain time because you will wait for ever. On the flip side is, if they are working on something they are interested in they can work and sleep in the office at ungodly hours. Some work best at night and sleep during the day. Some work whole weekends and then just decide to take Wednesday or Tuesday off. very right.thinking out of time box Wrong..... there are alot of other things that goes into a productive person other than the hard knowledge.... Showing up is one of them, you got to show up everyday on time and stay late to be successful period! I remember my first day at work, the schedule stated clearly 8-5pm, so I got to work at 7.30 am thinking I was the first but guess what 80% of people were sitted and working, and at 5pm, I was looking around and no one was getting up to leave and when I inquire, everyone of them had a Sr before their names. That is the reality of life unfortunately!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Wrong..... there are alot of other things that goes into a productive person other than the hard knowledge.... Showing up is one of them, you got to show up everyday on time and stay late to be successful period!
I remember my first day at work, the schedule stated clearly 8-5pm, so I got to work at 7.30 am thinking I was the first but guess what 80% of people were sitted and working, and at 5pm, I was looking around and no one was getting up to leave and when I inquire, everyone of them had a Sr before their names. That is the reality of life unfortunately!
Ditto! Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 3/31/2011 Posts: 49
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mukiha wrote:The second candidate was expected at 9am...
9am: no show
9.05 no show
9.10 - I called the fellow and he says he is held up in a jam at Roysambu! Apparently, he was travelling from Nyeri
"Who cares?" I wondered to myself silently...
Aint you the best!! ati calling to find out why an interviewee hasn't made it at the expected time.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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There should be NO TIME for latecomers, especially if they didn't excuse themselves. Then the Kenyan habit of lying of your whereabouts so that you buy time and allow the person waiting for you is total BS!! NKT! KEEP TIME
I have to agree with @MsKenya....this is the concept of the rat race....The rich either wake up very early and are in the office between 6:30am and 7:00am...the people of the rat race are all stuck in jam burning fuel (increasing their expense on fuel). The average rat race individual wastes approximately 4 hours everyday stuck in jam...this same amount of time, the rich man would have utilized to advance himself/herself....The rich man also has the luxury of going to work at 10am to avoid the jam and waste fuel and will leave very late from work for the same reasons.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2011 Posts: 322 Location: Chicago, IL, USA
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I will still interview a late candidate, but you will have to wait until I have the time... and wait, and wait, and wait- or I will do something odd like take a long lunch, eat, and run errands and drag you along to see how you react, while casually asking all that I want to know. Some candidates I have flown in and picked up, so if they are late, I understand that it's not their fault.
For most of the business world, you have to be on time, especially for an interview. Most managers aren't as flexible as I am, so it pays to be prompt. It does show that you are taking the position seriously.
I have had some excellent reports come in late and wear inappropriate clothing that I've ended up hiring. One of the reasons for this is that I'm not a stickler about when you come into the office, or even IF you come into the office. I rarely require my reports to come into the office- but I do require 24/7/365 access to you via phone, IM, and e-mail. You also must be able to VPN-into the network. But anything over an hour late on a first interview, or wearing shorts or flip flops, and I will make the interview fairly blunt and a bit curt... but I will still give the interview. You might end up waiting until 6:30pm for me if you are an hour late, but I'll give you the chance if you still want it.
If they "wow" me in the interview, I will ask them back for a second interview, and I will tell them to be early and wear a suit, or a dress not meant for the nightclub, for ladies. If they can follow these directions, then they are on good footing- they can listen, follow directions, and change their behavior. But all in all, I just have to be impressed; that's the most important part. But that's me; I recommend to anyone to be early and dress "smartly".
Best,
Hill
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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jasonhill wrote:I will still interview a late candidate, but you will have to wait until I have the time... and wait, and wait, and wait- or I will do something odd like take a long lunch, eat, and run errands and drag you along to see how you react, while casually asking all that I want to know. Some candidates I have flown in and picked up, so if they are late, I understand that it's not their fault.
For most of the business world, you have to be on time, especially for an interview. Most managers aren't as flexible as I am, so it pays to be prompt. It does show that you are taking the position seriously.
I have had some excellent reports come in late and wear inappropriate clothing that I've ended up hiring. One of the reasons for this is that I'm not a stickler about when you come into the office, or even IF you come into the office. I rarely require my reports to come into the office- but I do require 24/7/365 access to you via phone, IM, and e-mail. You also must be able to VPN-into the network. But anything over an hour late on a first interview, or wearing shorts or flip flops, and I will make the interview fairly blunt and a bit curt... but I will still give the interview. You might end up waiting until 6:30pm for me if you are an hour late, but I'll give you the chance if you still want it.
If they "wow" me in the interview, I will ask them back for a second interview, and I will tell them to be early and wear a suit, or a dress not meant for the nightclub, for ladies. If they can follow these directions, then they are on good footing- they can listen, follow directions, and change their behavior. But all in all, I just have to be impressed; that's the most important part. But that's me; I recommend to anyone to be early and dress "smartly".
Best,
Hill Absolutely. Judging the potential of one by the one time kept is not even the beginning of the story. Otherwise, what if you get one that is mostly good at keeping time? Only? I would give a latecomer plenty menial work to do around the office as he waits for his interview. The tea lady can have an impromptu day off on this day even. If an interviewee is late and asks for my understanding on the same, I would capitalize on that and examine without being told a few extra skills that would not have come out in the boardroom. After all, if we are going to be interacting 8 hours a day, 5 days a week it will be prudent for me to know more about you. Such a golden opportunity must not be let to waste!
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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... I do not understand why anyone would be late for a job interview, I just don't have any experience on that. When I was going to school I was told the world is a war zone slight mistake and someone else blow your head and I think that goes to anyone who went to those schools with serious recruiting focus, during my last year in school we had to wear suit every friday for meet and greet sessions where the career center invited recruiters from different companies to come and meet the students, Resumes had to go through career center before you can send it to a company. So I think schools should teach more that just hard knowledge, degree alone is not enough, beleive me there are so many qualified people no one is going to wait for anyone, besides most of the interviews are done by more than one person, I was interviewed by JP morgan right out of college and I met 2 second year analyst and 2 associates in one room, so imagine if I was late do you think all of them would have sat down waiting for me? I also do college recruiting and guess what? Average GPA for the entry level resumes are close to 3.8/4.0, this includes some with lower GPAs but stronger overall resume e.g good intership, double majors, strong cover letters, college sportings and you get more than 100 resumes for 4 opennings which you end up interviewing 12 for round 1, that is after the recruiters have sort through and elim other resumes, so do you think anyone will wait for an applicant? No
One last thing, coming in with a 4.0 GPA with nothing else might not look as good as a 3.5 GPA who played some kind of sports in school esp if you're looking into financial industry, you'll be surprise how much sports is valued!
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/18/2009 Posts: 316 Location: nairobi
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On a light note Mukiha and the rest , as an interviewer which are the most hilarious answers you've ever gotten from interviewees. God loves a Trier!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2011 Posts: 322 Location: Chicago, IL, USA
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One very important issue that this thread touches on is the fact that massive levels of talent are not always found in people that are punctual, can properly dress, have a certain GPA, or went to certain schools. Though "business-like" behavior is very important, and in many cases necessary, there are fantastic, fully capable people that are many times overlooked because they need a bit of coaching to "conform".
If you only look at what you consider to be the "perfect candidate", you'll end up with a team of walking "book-bots", that lack the diversity and creativity to really break new ground. It takes all kinds of people to make a great team. Besides, almost every candidate will need some sort of coaching; teaching them to tie a tie and arrive early is far from the hardest thing to teach someone.
You have to remember that many of today's brilliant inventions were conceived by people in a garage, or make--shift small business; people in shorts, jeans, flip-flops, etc., and by people whos imagination exceeds their ability to don a penguin outfit and "talk the MBA talk". I always try to remember this, so I always try to give a chance to people that aren't walking in the door "looking the part". Also, "qualified" means nothing to me in the normal sense. So you went here. Worked there. Graduated with this or that. So what? I wasn't there with you; I don't know what capacity you were in. You could have coasted, been related, cheated, bribed, or worse, and whatever the case, I still don't care. I need to see that you actually know what you are talking about, your resume has to have "hints" and "keywords" that show that you are what I'm looking for and that you have actually done the job before. You also must be able to listen, follow through, and follow up.
I've seen too many incapable people, or smart people that can't execute, in all kinds of positions, at "top" companies.
I'll say this, the hiring process is tough; it's hard to find good people. The process is long and time consuming, and by the time an approval comes down, and recruiters start sending you resumes, most of which aren't very good, it's usually a time crunch to hire someone. That said, you want the best person you can get, unless you are up to no good and are hiring for other reasons.
The worse feeling is when you think that you have it all wrapped up, you tell HR to pull the trigger, and then the person fails the drug or background check, and it's a no-go- or someone over-negotiates the offer and then rejects it- and you have to start over again.
Best,
Hill
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