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KDN Closing down!
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#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:41:19 PM
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KDN Closing down? Now that's sad.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:48:59 PM
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Its Ahmednasir driving a hard bargain.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:03:28 PM
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It's possible,the court has also ruled so.Employee salaries are also being delayed.
QW25081985
#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:07:34 PM
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This NOW leaves access kenya as THE KING OF DATA IN KENYA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bird_man
#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:17:09 PM
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A guy....please weka link.This is the biggest data provider in Kenya and if it was true.....shida!They carry much of Safaricoms data,MTNs data etc.
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QW25081985
#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:20:35 PM
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bird_man wrote:
A guy....please weka link.This is the biggest data provider in Kenya and if it was true.....shida!They carry much of Safaricoms data,MTNs data etc.


i actally saw this story on kbc but i thought i was reading my own things ...
No wonder safcom has been having all sorts of data problems (sms,network) of late..
bird_man
#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:27:59 PM
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@QW25081985....which day was that?I only remember the story on Business Daily saying that KDN was to deposit a huge some in Soliton Telmec's account for some fiber civil works that was in contention.Soliton has applied to have KDN wound up if they were unable to pay the huge sum....Now I don't know if they actually paid up.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:08:04 PM
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QW25081985 wrote:
bird_man wrote:
A guy....please weka link.This is the biggest data provider in Kenya and if it was true.....shida!They carry much of Safaricoms data,MTNs data etc.


i actally saw this story on kbc but i thought i was reading my own things ...
No wonder safcom has been having all sorts of data problems (sms,network) of late..


@QW, please don't sensationalize this issue. KDN has no operational problems that I know of.

As far as I'm aware, KDN contracted Soliton to lay a redundant cable to Mombasa through Garissa at an agreed fee. When KDN refused to pay (after its takeover by Alltech - South Africans) Soliton accepted a staggered repayment plan for the circa 400 metre balance. KDN has reneged on this and Soliton just wants its cash.

I suspect the South Africans probably never carried out proper due diligence (I know what @vvs will say about the seller) when buying into KDN.

The owner of Soliton is bosom buddies with Ahmednasir so the latter will squeeze every ounce for his pal.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:38:36 PM
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:54:32 PM
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bird_man wrote:
A guy....please weka link.This is the biggest data provider in Kenya and if it was true.....shida!They carry much of Safaricoms data,MTNs data etc.



Shame on you I heard they lost that contract earlier in the year!!
wakagori
#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:44:18 PM
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KDN wishes to set the record straight without discussing the merits of the dispute which is still pending before court as follows:

KDN, the leading Telecommunication Infrastructure Company, entered into a Network Expansion Agreement dated 27th September 2007 with Soliton.

A dispute arose between the parties regarding payment for work claimed to have been performed by Soliton. KDN and Soliton agreed to a joint audit of the work done, the first of which was commenced on the Thika Garissa Mombasa Route. The joint report dated 31st August 2010 indicated that significant aspects of the work had not been performed. Thereafter, Soliton withdrew from reconciliation of accounts and, in pursuit of its claims, filed the present Winding Up Petition on 18th October 2010 against KDN.

On 3rd November 2010, KDN filed an application to stay the hearing of the Winding Up Petition, and refer the dispute to arbitration as provided in the Network Expansion Agreement. The court ordered a stay until KDN’s application was heard and determined. On 30th august 2011, after hearing the parties, the Court surprisingly dismissed the application, and ruled that the Winding Up Petition should proceed to hearing.

KDN immediately applied for an order of stay pending appeal to the Court of Appeal, principally on two grounds:

a) The dispute should have been referred to arbitration as the contract between the parties provided for dispute resolution through arbitration.

b) The alleged debt remains disputed on substantial grounds, with both claiming against each other.

The High Court ordered a stay of its orders for 30 days on condition that KDN deposits a sum of Kshs. 400 million in a joint income account to be controlled and operated by the two counsels on record.

KDN has, on 8th September 2011, since filed a Notice of Appeal and an application under certificate of urgency for Orders of Stay pending the filing, hearing and determination of the intended appeal from the Ruling of the High Court.

KDN remains the largest private data carrier and infrastructure provider in the country with a turnover running into Kshs. 4 Billion as at the last financial year. It operates a combination of microwave radio and fiber optical links, and houses and maintains a number of international internet gateways.
KDN unveiled a multimillion dollar Data Centre on 6th September which is an indicator of the financial health of the company and a statement of commitment and participation to the Kenyan telecom industry.
wakagori
#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:45:40 PM
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bird_man wrote:
@QW25081985....which day was that?I only remember the story on Business Daily saying that KDN was to deposit a huge some in Soliton Telmec's account for some fiber civil works that was in contention.Soliton has applied to have KDN wound up if they were unable to pay the huge sum....Now I don't know if they actually paid up.



the money was to be deposited in a joint account...pending the appeal.
wakagori
#13 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:48:19 PM
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QW25081985 wrote:
This NOW leaves access kenya as THE KING OF DATA IN KENYA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Access Kenya has 400 kms of fiber, KDN has 5000.
Ignorance galore
Msa Liti
#14 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:07:46 PM
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KDN's assets will be sold if the court has decided to wind it up.
If you have monied friends or your chamaa has good cheddar i'd advise you to form a company and try to bid for the fibre.
The customers are already there.
bird_man
#15 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:44:38 PM
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Lets watch.I don't see KDN going anywhere.How much is in contention?400Million?That is not soooo much for a company that carries data for several other ISPs.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:21:35 AM
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bird_man wrote:
Lets watch.I don't see KDN going anywhere.How much is in contention?400Million?That is not soooo much for a company that carries data for several other ISPs.



If it was not much, they would have paid up don't you think?
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arapsonkot
#17 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:43:42 AM
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If it was not much, they would have paid up don't you think?[/quote]


What do't you understand about 'disputed' amount ?
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bird_man
#18 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:14:47 AM
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You just dont pay 'coz its not a huge amount'.You pay because you ought to pay having seen the work done.Anyway lets watch but my view stands.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:27:11 AM
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bird_man wrote:
You just dont pay 'coz its not a huge amount'.You pay because you ought to pay having seen the work done.Anyway lets watch but my view stands.

The thing is KDN is disputing the amount. Any well run business would not go around paying disputed amounts especially if it is the range of 400M. Stuff like this happen all the time - when money is owed and the other party disputes then the party owed the money instead of suing goes for the winding up option in a bid to force the hand of the other party. It works with varying degrees of success and it seems that the court is siding with the Soliton but it is far from over.
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MIKEnya
#20 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:47:01 AM
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No dispute that KDN is a telecom giant. A giant that is going down. If you want to confirm that, try calling their customer support number 020-5000000. Getting worse every day.
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