@Muganda, I agree with your statements here. There is nothing wrong or Western-leaning with monogamy if that's what one chooses- but there is a Western-slant if one denounces polygamy, because only Euro-culture and the agenda-leaning Euro-interpretations of religion has.

And polygamy isn't inherantly African. It's inherantly human.

I think that the 90% Western statement is especially important and key. We need to see what part of that 90% is serving us well, and what part isn't, we need to re-evaluate and either adjust to our needs or outright reject, without feeling any shame or shortcoming, without any explaination to, or exemption from, others.

This means setting our own destiny- good or bad, right or wrong, it should be OURS, without the side-line cheerleading and Monday-morning quarterbacking from organizations and nations that have their own interests at heart, and not ours. We welcome investment, NOT interference.

And this entire disussion thread is a major statement and movement into that direction.

You're right Muganda... it is dangerous. It's the rise.

But we are no longer afraid of heights.

Best,

Hill

Can anyone tell me the "proper" type of marriage to have in Kenya in order to avoid breaking the "Bigamy" laws? I heard that it is called a "customary" marriage and that you must not celebrate in a church or it converts to a "Christian" marriage. But "Christian" marriages cannot be converted to customary. That's punitive, in my opinion. It's wrong to not allow a Christian to celebrate their wedding in a church for fear of becoming a criminal if they choose to exercise their God-given right (and God-given request) to be fruitful and multiply.

Does such a law REALLY exist? And how has Katiba affected it?

It doesn't make much sense to me since Christianity does not in any way forbid polygamy (for non-deacons and non-bishops), but I respect the law, so if anyone has any knowledge about Kenyan family law, please speak up now, as one would like to avoid the same fate as that rich German guy that is in court as we speak over "bigamy" allegations, and, one would likely want to avoid stepping foot into a church on their wedding day, thus to avoid possible charges of criminality in the future.

And how does this apply to naturalized Kenyans from overseas?

Such a punitive violation of the right of an African man to BE a REAL African man is a perfect example of Western cultural holdovers that should be done away with and Africanized in the same fashion as the new CJ has done with the UK's judicial powdered wigs and robes- NOT FOR US.

Best,

Hill

The are quite compatible, as long as you have impeccable timing.

Best,

Hill

@Sanity, Then why did He give Men wives (plural), tell them to be fruitful and multiply, and why where His chosen, Godly men polygamists many times?

In Christianity, one has a choice either way, monogamy or polygamy, depending on whether it is appropriate- lawful and expedient for the person. The bible says directly that homosexuality, fornication, and adultery is wrong, among other things, and also shows examples of punishment for other sins, and it says this DIRECTLY and succinctly. It never said polygamy is wrong, and like I said, Godly men were given wives. You have given us a few verses out of context, instead of considering the whole bible and the overall instruction.

Until you can show me where it says that polygamy is sin or perversion and God's word condemns it, you have no case to condemn it- but if legalism works for you as an individual, so be it.

Best,

Hill

Ms Mkenya, let me ask you this: having admitted that you don't believe monogamy is natural, would you find it within yourself to forgive your man if he were to cheat on you with a woman who was undeniably more beautiful than yourself?

@quicksand, It's not cheating if you are up front and honest that you will seek more than one wife. In addition, you have no basis to say that a sensible modern woman will not accept the arrangement. Are you saying that Jacob Zuma's wives, along with the wives of other leaders, including ones in Kenya, are not sensible? What makes a monogamous person, with the very high modern divorce and infidelity rates, any more or less "sensible"? And, does your own personal fortune and value of your estate equal or exceed that of, say, Akuku Danger, who clearly gained economic strength and success from his marital arrangement?

Why can't you make your arguments without taking a personal shot at the "sensibility" of women who are in polygamous relationships?

Best,

Hill

@quicksand, I agree with you that you must be honest and up front with your first wife. You have to tell her that you are an "old-school" guy that believes the bible, and will have his wives. That's only fair. I think that if you don't make this clear up front, or if you tell a woman this after you marry her, you shouldn't practice it without agreement from your first wife. It wouldn't be fair to her to not seek her permission on such a dramatic change in the marital arrangement.

If you are current and correct in your duties of being the spiritual leader in your home, not "outsourcing" the job to a local pastor, then it's a subject that you would have already broached, and she would have likely given her clear feelings on.

That's why it's important to study the bible and pray with your family- so that you can discuss it in a way that is most appropriate for you and your personal walk, and without the influence and agenda of others and their "denominations".

Whether that be denominations of shilling notes within the church, or denominations (divisions) of doctrine within the church.

Best,

Hill

Looking at the lives of polygamists one comes to one conclusion ,these men can only cherish one woman as their wife at any given time or probably in their lifetime.

This is according to anthropologists such as Desmond Morris.



1.Take Solomon for starters He could only cherish one person out of his harem for him to write:

Let thy fountain be blessed; And rejoice in the wife of thy youth. Proverbs 5:18

not wives.


2.David ,probably Bathsheba.

3.Kenyatta -Mama Ngina Kenyatta (maybe)


Monogamy predates christianity or western civilisation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monogamy



The bible clearly teaches against polygamy.It's the teachings that are importance not the nature of lives portrayed by the characters.Remember Jesus said:


The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."
Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.

For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven.
The one who can accept this should accept it." Matt:19:10-12

JasonHill apart from the scriptures ,I posted a wikipedia link.I will advise polygamy would go against such fundamental concepts such as:

1.Adam and Eve became One Flesh
2.Christ comes for One Bride(Church) to become One and live forever(That is why also the church doesn't endorse divorces easily.)Thus ,if one finds himself already in a polygamous situation
the Church cannot tell you to divorce.
3.The Father and The Son are One.

Why did David and Solomon practice polygamy and were not condemned for their actions.

IMHO,the last two revelations had not been clarified.


In addition ,Jesus who came to fulfill the Law himself not necessarily his teachings.







Though it is


Absolutely not true.African polygamists will have a bigger hut for the woman they actually cherish as their wife

but the parts that suit your position r in English too!