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500,000 acres kenyatta land
vinii
#1 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 9:08:33 PM
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.....according to daughter of late president - christine, all land was purchased thru' bank loans....kweli au rongo??
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sanity
#2 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 11:05:21 PM
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vinii wrote:
.....according to daughter of late president - christine, all land was purchased thru' bank loans....kweli au rongo??

am unable to comprehend that size of land.my 1/8 can fit there 4 million times. Bank loan huh?
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Impunity
#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:09:14 AM
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Tell that daughter of b*** to say that to the babyclass.
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vinii
#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:13:51 AM
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On the 33rd anniversary of Mzee Jomo Kenyatta’s death, his family has for the first time spoken out on the controversial issue of the land it owns and how it was acquired. Kenyatta’s daughter Christine has dismissed as misconceptions claims that the family had grabbed large tracts of land. The late President’s daughter says all tracts of land owned by the family were bought through bank loans.

....quoted from Nation Media
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Kaka Sunguch
#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:16:12 AM
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A load of BS,...bank loans my foot!
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:18:59 AM
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Family cleansing itself in readiness for 2012?

Which banks financed the deals?
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murenj
#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:37:59 AM
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they forgot to state that the land was bought for as litle as 50 bob per acre and that the bank loans were not secured at all. The old mzee's name was all the security ever needed.
FundamentAli
#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:43:44 AM
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murenj wrote:
they forgot to state that the land was bought for as litle as 50 bob per acre and that the bank loans were not secured at all. The old mzee's name was all the security ever needed.


@Murenj,

Did Kenyatta default in paying the loans?

Many kenyans were so skeptical about the land transfer schemes then. The few who participated ended up having large chunks of land as there were no other takers.

Secondly, the last time The Standard mentioned 500,000 acres they were taken to court and asked to state those parcels equaling 500,000 acres
livie
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:34:09 AM
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bunch of balooney...!
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:10:18 PM
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Where's Njuguna the defender?
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:55:07 PM
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Anyone {entrepreneur }in Mzee Kenyatta s shoes would have done the same...the morality or lack of the same not withstanding..this is called the entrepreneurial spirit,while the fighters were awaiting handouts from the government,Kenyatta was busy buying at the lowest price so issues of morality aside this was truly legal and no one was barred from buying as much land as they could have afforded,the selling price is not the issue here even if he bought at 10cts per acre he paid money and was given value for it by the fleeing colonialists he took advantage of the ignorance of the Kenyans then as he was more exposed to the ways of capitalism in his studies and tours abroad...so really he was just being a serial entrepreneur,the moralist views emerging now are just as a result of people being enlightened at the wrong time but if anyone can prove that he grabbed why not try the new courts of law...
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:14:09 PM
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nwamaina wrote:
Anyone {entrepreneur }in Mzee Kenyatta s shoes would have done the same...the morality or lack of the same not withstanding..this is called the entrepreneurial spirit,while the fighters were awaiting handouts from the government,Kenyatta was busy buying at the lowest price so issues of morality aside this was truly legal and no one was barred from buying as much land as they could have afforded,the selling price is not the issue here even if he bought at 10cts per acre he paid money and was given value for it by the fleeing colonialists he took advantage of the ignorance of the Kenyans then as he was more exposed to the ways of capitalism in his studies and tours abroad...so really he was just being a serial entrepreneur,the moralist views emerging now are just as a result of people being enlightened at the wrong time but if anyone can prove that he grabbed why not try the new courts of law...


So they were fighting for land they never had in the first place?

Was this "lowest price" available to everyone else? Selling price is an issue if the land is not available e.g. at 10cts to everyone.

Took advantage of the ignorance of Kenyans? Are you forgetting that this was a leader - President? One should never celebrate a leader taking advantage of his people's "ignorance" - especially when you were not privy the the negotiations that went regarding land on the eve of Kenya's independence.

Seriously, 500k is HUGE!

Rahatupu
#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:26:16 PM
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nwamaina wrote:
Anyone {entrepreneur }in Mzee Kenyatta s shoes would have done the same...the morality or lack of the same not withstanding..this is called the entrepreneurial spirit,while the fighters were awaiting handouts from the government,Kenyatta was busy buying at the lowest price so issues of morality aside this was truly legal and no one was barred from buying as much land as they could have afforded,the selling price is not the issue here even if he bought at 10cts per acre he paid money and was given value for it by the fleeing colonialists he took advantage of the ignorance of the Kenyans then as he was more exposed to the ways of capitalism in his studies and tours abroad...so really he was just being a serial entrepreneur,the moralist views emerging now are just as a result of people being enlightened at the wrong time but if anyone can prove that he grabbed why not try the new courts of law...


@nwamaina, thieving in the name of entrepreneurship (sic)? He was supposed to enlighten his people not to steal from them due to his position. If you have been around long enough you will appreciate that thieving does not need to be violent or obvious to unsuspecting bystanders. My forefathers were evicted from modern day Karen and taken to what is today known as Gikambura. The system has been built around "primitive capital accumulation" so much so that it is distorted as entrepreneurship. BURE KABISA
majay
#14 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:59:28 PM
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Maybe we should be asking from which country did they get the loan,coz its definitely not from Kenya
all about Kenya in 2011
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:27:52 PM
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Kenyan Kop
#16 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:24:04 PM
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Any mad man can make all sorts of allegations. Msema kweli ni Ndung'u Report. Read that before yapping.
Kenyan Kop
#17 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:34:30 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Tell that daughter of b*** to say that to the babyclass.
Nkt.



How about you respect people? Is your mum one?(I mean a b***) you must expertise in identifying them? ama?
vinii
#18 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:40:01 PM
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Kenyan Kop wrote:
Any mad man can make all sorts of allegations. Msema kweli ni Ndung'u Report. Read that before yapping.

according to ndung'u, 99 percent of kenyatta land was 'purchased'.
If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
simonkabz
#19 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:23:10 PM
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@kop, also wanted to ask impunity the same, if he is also a son of...one...
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Sigiriri
#20 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:21:10 AM
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I have talked about nyati previously. I will not be doing so again on this thread. Makosa ilifanyika - and the pace was set for what followed. Now the pple realize they have been 'raped' who weren't as Kiraits once put it - 'all too willing'. But if we turn to the Nyatslet in 2012, it will appear to me as though Kiraits statement bears some extent of accuracy...

One local controversial musician has narrated it thus -

[NOW CENSORED]

Read again and understand how the country's foundation lies.
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