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10 reasons for investing in Mutual funds........
Nabwire
#21 Posted : Monday, July 25, 2011 3:06:58 AM
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Thank you Kiterunner, do you by any chance have the websites of those companies??
I would like to concede, after re reading Young's comments, my post about mutual funds may not be accurate when it comes to Africa. If Ghana is giving a fund with 30-50% interest, then that is definitely a good buy. I think my theory about mutual funds not having stellar returns should be used only on US equities. There are usually two people who should invest in mutual funds
1. Novice investors who have no clue about how the market works
2. Lazy people who just want some kind of return from the market without any research on their part
Again my comments only apply to the US. To pick your own stocks you have to be very passionate about the market, doing a lot of research so you can pick through the BS and get to the good stocks, and trust me there is a lot of BS out there. Most of the financial advisers out there are usually financially motivated for their own gain when they advise the public. Take Suze Orman for example, she is good at what she does, but most times she just advises on how to get out of debt. When she does advice on investing, she will usually tell you to invest in a ROTH. Jim Cramer is a former investment banker who usually has good advice, only problem is what he considers cheap, is usually what many consider expensive, so unless you have the type of money investment bankers have, you will be burnt out by him. Plus he is very complex, here is his site if interested www.thestreet.com
The other financial motivators are usually teaching people how to become good employees not good investors. Stephen Covey, Tony Robbins plus numerous other authors are not really teaching people how to become Billionaires, they teach you how to become a good employee. And i'm shooting for Billionaire, so the best book I have read so far is Buffett; The making of an American Capitalist, this book is a must read coz it breaks down how Buffett got to where he's at succinctly. Also The new Buffettology is a good read, it shows you how to pick good stocks. I hope I was of some help coz there is a lot of helpful info on this site, just thought I would share.
Cde Monomotapa
#22 Posted : Monday, July 25, 2011 6:49:04 AM
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Gracias @Nabwire.
Bee_Ruto
#23 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:47:48 PM
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@Nabwire,
Let me know if you find a good investment company. I am currently with Dyer and blair, been with them since Kengen IPO and i can't get this guys to respond to my email no matter what. I am at a disadvantage, you seem to understand this stocks investment. I am not in Kenya either.
thanks
Nabwire
#24 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:23:38 PM
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Hi Bee,
I have been told that Suntra investments is good, I do not have a CDS yet so I dont really know for sure. @Bee why dont you just drop them, so many people have complained about D&B. I was wondering what does it take to get a brokerage license?? I see an opportunity to invest for people in the diaspora, I wonder how many people would take my advice?? Bee you wanna be my first client when I set up shop?? It would be interesting.
Bee_Ruto
#25 Posted : Friday, August 12, 2011 6:31:50 AM
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@Nabwire,
I plan to drop DB as soon as i find out what the process is. If i have to be physically in KEnya to do it or not. I will check out Suntra and also heard CFC standbic financial too..
I will be your first client if you promise not to screw me up like DB did. I Have read afew of your postings and see that you invest or have interests on Wallstreet. Can i email you so i can share more with you on this. If you can, please email me beeruto at gmail. Hope hear from you soon. As in before i miss out on some investment opportunities i see on wallstreet.
thanks
Nabwire
#26 Posted : Friday, August 12, 2011 8:50:08 PM
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Hi Bee just read your response. See if you can transfer your shares to another brokerage firm, whatever you do DO NOT sell your shares right now. If there is no way to tranfer your shares, I would open another account with a different brokerage firm, and start buying shares through them. Forget about DB until the bulls come out, you should always put a price target on your stock picks. Say if you bought at 18 and the stock is now selling at 12, instead of cashing out your DB in frustration, leave the stocks there and wait for the price to go to preferably 30 and over before you cash out. This might take a year, 2 years, 5, I dont know. But it makes more sense to just forget those stocks for now, unless you bought bad stocks to begin with, then hapo you might have to cut your losses, coz the more the stocks sit in there with no hope of going up, your money is being eroded by inflation.By the way, can anyone tell me how to open a CDS from abroad?? ama I will have to be in Kenya to do that??
About being my client, I would not screw you over since my commission would be pegged on how well your portfolio grows, its in my best interest to grow your money. And thank you for the compliments, I am enthused and as my first client, I will offer you free portofolio management for one year. In the spirit of Wazua, I think it would be better if we discuss your investment options here so that I can be corrected if I am wrong and also so that 1 year later we can come back and look at my picks and see if they appreciated. To gauge what kind of investor you are, how much are you willing to invest. Depending on your initial capital I can direct you to stocks that are within your range.The first thing you want to do is open an individual stock investment account, but watch out for the many hidden fees that these companies charge. You want a company that charges a flat fee and lays out the fee structure plainly. Hope this helps.
Bee_Ruto
#27 Posted : Saturday, August 13, 2011 3:54:24 AM
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@Nabwire,
thanks alot for your advice.
I opened my CDS account a while back, was able to fill out forms and scan as attachments and copy of passport. I can find the info for you, I have to dig through my email unless someone else have them handy.
As far as my porfolio I bought KCB, Kengen and Safaricom, Except for kengen, the prices of the two have never gone up but i have not being monitoring closely. KCB i bought at 32.25 and more at 27, Kengen during the IPO and Safaricom too during the IPO and my broker bought additional safaricom at 7. Well, I have really no intention of touching them now that the prices are falling even more. I received some dividend and i need to ensure i got all deposited to my account with KCB as i requested. I am waiting for KCB to sent me my statement or rather i have been waiting all year. Like someone said, I have not being as involved in my investment as i should but i am starting to. I had invested 1m ksh but i don't even think my current stocks investment is worth even half a mil. I was intenting to invest another mil, not sure if the time is right. Like the lady featured recently on the nation paper, her money withdrwn over the counter. The exact same thing happened to me last year, I was banking with Equity, i ended up transfering to KCB and i read comments of people who have being victims of similar fraud activities while banking with KCB, basically not sure where is safer. SO i think i rather loss on the stock market than someone just withdrawing it.
I just opened an account with Etrade too, I have being going through the education videos and articles. I will buy some next week, any you suggest? I appreciate your help.
Nabwire
#28 Posted : Saturday, August 13, 2011 9:33:50 PM
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Hi Bee, first off, please allow 24- 48 hours for a reply from me due to my busy schedule.
Then I would like to commend your brevity cum naivete. Woman ( i'm assuming you are female) yani you gave $10,000 to your broker without any supervision from you?? Kwani which tree is this that your money grows from? A word of advice, your broker is not on your side...surprise surprise. A broker looks out for himself, his sole purpose is to keep selling to you so that he gets his cut, if he doesnt sell he doesnt get paid. Thats why he reinvested your dividends even though Safaricom was at a higher price. Next time, ask them not to reinvest your dividends, instead you take the money and reinvest when you feel that the price is right. Kwani KCB does not have online banking?? Coz now you are scaring me, how can a bank take over a year to give you your statements?? To Wazuans, can you open a CDS with a multinational bank? Like Citi bank? If KCB does not have online banking I'm not risking it.
You definitely need a money manager, sorry to hear about someone withdrawing your money from KCB. Although you have a positive attitude in general, I think you neglect your money too much and money appreciates or depreciates according to how you treat it. If you care for it and protect it, it grows. If you ignore and neglect it, it moves to greener pastures. I want you to go find this book and read it, Who moved my cheese, it is a quick read. Even though I think you are Scurry in the book, unfortunately you find the cheese then you just let it rot, work on your money relationship. I commend you that even though you lost $5,000, you are not bitter about the stock market and are even willing to invest more, thats a winners attitude, you just need direction on how to invest your funds.
If you want to invest the extra $10,000 in Kenya, I would buy more KCB, it seems counter intuitive but you always want to buy at a low price. As a rule of thumb, you want to have between 3-5 stocks that you invest in. So taking your $10,000, say we invest it in 5 stocks, that gives you $2,000 for each stock. My 5 stock picks would be KCB, EABL, Bamburi, NMG & Jubilee. These are companies with durable competitive advantage, meaning they have been there for the last 10 years and will be there for the next 10. I havent looked at their EPS, P/Es or dividend yields, but since the NSE is undergoing a bear market, its a no brainer to load up on these. Ofcourse KCB will give you more shares from that $2,000 than EABL,in future you can decide to allocate more funds on a specific stock as you wish. Also please do not invest the whole $10,000 at once, do dollar cost averaging.
Now if you want to invest in the US, my picks currently are Bank of America, Pfizer, Interpublic group, Verizon and I am also looking at European stocks. Commerz Bank, Germany's second biggest bank and Credit Agricole, France come to mind. More later.
Can you give a summary of what etrade videos taught you? How much did you pay? How much per trade?
Nabwire
#29 Posted : Saturday, August 13, 2011 9:46:27 PM
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I have to admit that I tend to like bank stocks coz I understand them more, though you have to diversify.
The picks I gave are basically mostly penny stocks, but if your budget is higher, I would definetely load up on BP, CITI,Walmart & Coca Cola.
Nabwire
#30 Posted : Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:49:07 PM
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Bee,
also note that on the Kenyan side I like HFCK,Uchumi, Kenya Re and Equity though Equity is relatively young, I would watch it closely. Honestly if I were you, I would dump Safaricom, Kengen I am 50/50, but I dont see Saf going anywhere, just being eaten by inflation.
You said you had US stock picks in mind, which ones??
Bee_Ruto
#31 Posted : Monday, August 15, 2011 11:31:21 AM
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Nabwire,
I don't know where to start but i will address them all. I understand when you dont respond for a while, i get busy at times too that i dont even get time to log on.
Correction, the bank in which my money was withdrawn was equity then i transfered to KCB. Equity has online banking and dollar account and that was why i opened account with them. I don't know if KCB now have online banking, I should check with them.
I Just opened etrade..video lessons on diverification, They say instead of the myth ati but low sell high, he said you never can time low..so buy high and sell higher.
US picks in my mind are FDX, thought wallmart and cosco, A friend talked of NYB, USB, IBCA..Etrade is free for first 2 months, a friend who has been using it for 2 years says fees are minimal.
thank you for the rest of the info, I appreciate it
accelriskconsult
#32 Posted : Monday, August 15, 2011 12:55:56 PM
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young wrote:
Consider the different asset class mix

(i) Real Estate Trust (REIT)
(ii) Equity Fund
(iii) Money Market Fund
(iv) Balanced Fund (50% Equity, 50% Money market).


A good mix of at least 2 of above is recommended.
As a rule let part of your funds be managed by experts as it is a leverage.



I totally understand CDE's argument against Kenyan mutual funds.

You will be lucky if they tell you who the fund manager is let alone explaining their investment philosophy.

The link below has an interesting take on mutual funds which ticks all the boxes in the Kenyan market

http://www.nytimes.com/2...recg&pagewanted=all

http://www.businessinsid...nsen-mutual-funds-2011-8
Bee_Ruto
#33 Posted : Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:11:19 AM
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Nabwire,
on aug 12 you said not to sell any stocks but 13th you say i should dump kengen and safcom. Which is it? I know i will be selling at a great loss but like think also read that from etrade training that it better to cut my losses.
Nabwire
#34 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:18:08 AM
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Hi Bee
so what has the Etrade tutorials taught you? I am very wary of this tutorials, it usually amounts to just invest with us and everything else will be smooth. How much did you pay for the video? So Etrade is free for the first 2 months, after that how much do they charge? What is minimal? Do they have an annual fee plus i'm sure they charge you X amount to trade shares. Anyways i'm just a stickler for unnecessary fees.
About your stock picks, Costco and Walmart are definately a good buy, for the rest I dont really know about them so I cant advice. I still insist that Bank of America is a good buy, yes they are being sued by AIG and they had alot of exposure in the real estate meltdown that gave them bad publicity, BUT they are the largest bank in the US, that alone makes me prefer them over a smaller bank like US Bank which by the way is selling three times higher than BoA.Its your call.
About Safaricom, yes I told you not to sell your shares, but I also said this only holds if you had good shares to begin with. In my opinion Safaricom is not a good stock pick, it no longer enjoys monopoly in the Kenyan market, plus most people I know do not like their services. Being that it is a price competitve company, when these people find a better option, they will leave Safaricom which will eventually lead to the stock price falling. Sirius for example was trading around $2 back in 2008, today in 2011 it is still trading around $2. In the meantime inflation has eaten up its stock holders capital, and plus the stock is not going anywhere, if anything it may go lower. That was my analogy, and is the reason I told you that I would cut my losses, sell Safaricom and buy for example KCB at its current lows. Kengen I would need to do more research, I said I was 50/50 on it, but Safaricom is a definite sell in my books.
Bee_Ruto
#35 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:46:22 PM
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Nabwire,
Etrade tutorials are free while you have an account with them. And account is free for the first 60 days and they want money tranfered before the 60 days are up. Basically, i think they want you to be trading with them by the time the free period is over. The tutorials go from basic expalnantion of terms P/E, dividends even companies traded in NASdaq, DOW, S&P. Talk about diversification and really about the same info i have gotten from members here. Nothing new but for someone like me, it sticks bettter if repeated over and over by different sources. MY friend who has an account with them said he paid 75 dollars when he first joined and since only charged commission when he uses their brokers rather than do the trading himself.
How do you do it yourself? I thought you have to open such accounts or go through a broker to trade in NYSE.
Nabwire
#36 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:09:25 PM
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I knew it, repeat after me, nothing is FREE!! Your friend paid $75??? I wonder what the "commission" is? I'm too lazy to call them and ask how much they charge per trade. And the tutorials they give you seems like basic knowledge that you can access for free from your local library. Anyways its your money. My brokerage firm charges $20 a year, but they have waived the first 2 years charges, so I basically dont pay them maintenance fees till 2013. Then they charge $7 a trade for the first 15 trades, therefater its $15 a trade/ year. Since I want to buy for the logterm, this is an ideal arrangement for me.
By the way since Walmart is selling at $82, Walmart sells higher during recessions, you may want to wait for some kind of calamity to hit the company, so that the price goes down kidogo before you buy.
Bee_Ruto
#37 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 9:04:17 AM
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Nabwire,
I have not transferred money to my etrade account yet. Can i have the info on your brokerage. I also want to invest long term so thats a better deal. Thanks for your help
QW25071985
#38 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2011 9:20:48 AM
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Bee_Ruto wrote:
Nabwire,
I have not transferred money to my etrade account yet. Can i have the info on your brokerage. I also want to invest long term so thats a better deal. Thanks for your help


try https://www.zecco.com

they dnt charge commision. Yes you heard me right.no commision on your stocks trade. They dnt. As long as you place >25 trades per month.
When depositing money you better use wire transfer as itis cheaper.
Nabwire
#39 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:46:17 AM
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Aii QW, now which novice investor trades 25 times a month? That deal sounds good only if you are a day trader or a speculator.
Bee, at this rate I am going to start charging you for info for real!!!! By the way I misquoted my company, I think its $7 for the first 25 trades per year. Ok I will be nice and share, I deal with www.vanguard.com. They are an online brokerage firm, no hassles, no hidden fees, I love them. And you are welcome...
Nabwire
#40 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:48:46 AM
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Oh by the way you need to maintain a $3,000 minimum with them.
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